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Oh no - here we go with the stealers again haha. When you are selling a house for a client do you refuse the highest offer and/or do not allow bidding wars?
Yup, dealers can only charge what customers are willing to pay. Prices are high because we’re all bidding against each other.
Around 2015, my dealer offered me a GT3 allocation at MSRP and I passed. A few months later, he offered me another allocation at MSRP and I took it. The following year, the same scenario played out with the GT4. It was not hard to get these cars at MSRP back then. Some discount below MSRP was probably possible, but I was ok with MSRP, so I didn’t try to negotiate.
After that, the guys who wanted to own these cars ‘for free’, but hardly drove them, came into the market and it became harder to get MSRP allocations.
A friend at a local dealership told me a tale about a guy that ordered a GT3, was all excited for it to come in...and when it was delivered he took it out and got a little aggressive and scared himself half to death. Apparently the car almost bit him and went back to front. Guy came back and gave the car back to the dealer.
Some "enthusiasts" around here that get those allocations. Cracks me up. Also cracks me up how the folk get all defensive and bent outta shape on reducing ADMs. 992.2 GT3 going up $50k? Doubt it.
Agreed.
It's all about gross margins.
For Porsche, less is more.
And for some reason, this never seems to enter the mindset of posters here that continue to yap about how the ADM's will be disappearing and GT cars will be back to selling at MSRP.
They've been posting this "narrative" for 2 years now. They've been totally wrong. Meanwhile, during this time the MSRP on a GT3 has increased nearly $22,000.
Think the MSRP stays where it is ($182,900) come time for the 992.2 model?
Of course not. It will be pushing $200,000 easy.
Operating margins actually. Porsche is targeting 20% ROS to Ferrari's 24%.
A friend at a local dealership told me a tale about a guy that ordered a GT3, was all excited for it to come in...and when it was delivered he took it out and got a little aggressive and scared himself half to death. Apparently the car almost bit him and went back to front. Guy came back and gave the car back to the dealer.
Some "enthusiasts" around here that get those allocations. Cracks me up. Also cracks me up how the folk get all defensive and bent outta shape on reducing ADMs. 992.2 GT3 going up $50k? Doubt it.
So you don’t think the 992.2 GT3 will go up MSRP $50k? The 992.1 went up $20k from 2022/2023. If the model line goes up 5% each year from now till when the 992.2 GT3 comes out it’s over $50k, closer to $65k, that’s a big delta between .1/.2 cars.
So you don’t think the 992.2 GT3 will go up MSRP $50k? The 992.1 went up $20k from 2022/2023. If the model line goes up 5% each year from now till when the 992.2 GT3 comes out it’s over $50k, closer to $65k, that’s a big delta between .1/.2 cars.
It will be just under $200k, so $40k above the $160k of the initial 2022 model.
Pal? Are you kidding? Very few paid over sticker during the 2014-2016 GT3 years of 991.1 production. 997 and 996 generations dating back to 1999 would have been practically nonexistent to pay an ADM; it just wasn't a thing. The change coincided with the 2018 991.2. Stick to Fords, your knowledge of the national Porsche historical marketplace is lacking. Alternatively, you might just be from the Bay Area.
It was for some, not for others. What matters is that ADM's are prevalent for the vast majority now. I'm fortunate to not be one of them.
You keep on keeping on with your depth of knowledge of the PORSCHE HISTORICAL MARKETPLACE Hold your head up high, you've truly arrived
And I am from the Bay Area but i moved in 1998. So if that was your attempt at an insult, you got close
Around 2015, my dealer offered me a GT3 allocation at MSRP and I passed. A few months later, he offered me another allocation at MSRP and I took it. The following year, the same scenario played out with the GT4. It was not hard to get these cars at MSRP back then. Some discount below MSRP was probably possible, but I was ok with MSRP, so I didn’t try to negotiate.
After that, the guys who wanted to own these cars ‘for free’, but hardly drove them, came into the market and it became harder to get MSRP allocations.
I don't have the same experience as you at all. The local Porsche dealer here was selling a used 2015 991.1 GT3 for 12k over and wouldn't budge. The best I could do was being offered 10k over for an allocation and that went right away. GT4's were going for 10k+ over for the 981.1 online here and at many dealers. Please do a search on the 991.1 GT3 forum at that time and get back to me.
Inquiry in 2015 for any GT car.
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Around 2015, my dealer offered me a GT3 allocation at MSRP and I passed. A few months later, he offered me another allocation at MSRP and I took it. The following year, the same scenario played out with the GT4. It was not hard to get these cars at MSRP back then. Some discount below MSRP was probably possible, but I was ok with MSRP, so I didn’t try to negotiate.
After that, the guys who wanted to own these cars ‘for free’, but hardly drove them, came into the market and it became harder to get MSRP allocations.
Not only that but also the 918 VIP program that ate up 300+ allocations in the US and many of those 918 VIP buyers ended up to be flippers.
I don't have the same experience as you at all. The local Porsche dealer here was selling a used 2015 991.1 GT3 for 12k over and wouldn't budge. The best I could do was being offered 10k over for an allocation and that went right away. GT4's were going for 10k+ over for the 981.1 online here and at many dealers. Please do a search on the 991.1 GT3 forum at that time and get back to me.
Inquiry in 2015 for any GT car.
Stealers in the high priced areas like SoCal, the Bay Area, etc were charging ADMs for 991.1 GT3s and 981 GT4s but the rest of the country wasn't. Now it seems like the vast majority of dealers are charging ADM for their GT cars. There are fewer and fewer MSRP dealerships out there nowadays as the money grab has gotten bigger and bigger but we (the buyers) are at fault. As the saying goes....I saw the enemy and the enemy was us.
VIP's definitely did this at the time.. because why not. Easy money.
I was a little too poor to afford a 918 when they came out otherwise I would have bought the car just to get all of the GT cars at MSRP, including the limited edition ones like the 991R and the Speedster. The profits from flipping those cars would have more than paid for the 918.
I was a little too poor to afford a 918 when they came out otherwise I would have bought the car just to get all of the GT cars at MSRP, including the limited edition ones like the 991R and the Speedster. The profits from flipping those cars would have more than paid for the 918.
Except when PCNA cracked down. Also, it felt like you couldn't give 918's away at the time.
Except when PCNA cracked down. Also, it felt like you couldn't give 918's away at the time.
Yeah they started cracking down on 918 owners flipping their GT cars because it was getting out of hand. Porsche did put that program in place because they were having a hard time selling all of their 918s.
04-15-2023, 01:12 AM
Hold your head up high, you've truly arrived 
