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Old 04-10-2023, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C.
It appears an acceptable premium for a buildable touring would be $30k to $50k?
less in Ohio than LA. Depends on your dealer relationship.
Old 04-10-2023, 09:53 PM
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I think 30k to 50k ADM for a touring is a great deal.
Old 04-10-2023, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C.
It appears an acceptable premium for a buildable touring would be $30k to $50k?
as mentioned, my SA had a GT3T slot at $60k and it was gone in like 10 minutes lol $30-50 would be awesome for one

he just called about a 3RS slot at $100k. a little too rich for my blood, but i'm sure it'll be gone same day.
interesting times!
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Old 04-10-2023, 10:56 PM
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OK, how about this one? MSRP $213.5K. Appears they are charging $66k ADM on a USED car. Full PPF, Prepaid maintenance for 20k and 30k service, Certified, but seats have some wear and a tiny tear in leather on passenger side rear interior panel. No chrono, have to love sofas.

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Manual, winged. To me this car being GT silver (an unspecial color?) feels more like $50k over, at most.



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Old 04-11-2023, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PTS
I'm not on the sidelines, I'm in my 992 GT3 just clicking past the 4k mile mark. I wasn't referencing you directly in my comment, either. Keep being cautious though, you'll still be in the same place you are now in the future, GT3-less.

Edit: As someone who works in the financial markets, I find it interesting when GT3 prospective buyers will sit on the sidelines for literally years waiting to save $20-40k on these cars (while MSRP continues to tick up into those levels) expecting ADMs to come down. What is $20-40k over the course of multiple years on a ~$225k car? As an actual owner, I can tell you it's worth those dollars to be driving one of these. For what it's worth, I paid MSRP but can easily understand paying an ADM for this car.
AlexC already said that I would miss the 992 generations but now you're telling me that I will be GT3-less forever? Wow, that's rough. Keep on with the fear-mongering, FOMO cheerleader.

I don't disagree that this car is worth something over MSRP, but at least for me, getting at $20k over MSRP is not a possibility. I'm not waiting years to get this car; I'm waiting months. If you work in financial markets, then you, of all people, should understand that what goes up (artificially way, way up), usually comes back down. It's a question of how far down. But, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
Old 04-11-2023, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rodsky
With all due respect this doesnt make sense. You can either afford the car or you can't - if you're fretting the economy you can't or maybe said a better way - shouldn't buy the car based on whether the market is at 33,000 or at 30,000. If you want a brand new GT3 Touring and can get one to spec and you don't have a relationship - $50K is a good deal today. Could it get better - maybe but I don't think there are many more configurable allocations to be had - the run is almost at the end. So i dont think the market will go down. Now if you want to wait 2 years and get a 15,000 mile one - well then it could be and likely will be cheaper than MSRP + $50K. But look at 991.2's - they are still over MSRP 3 years + later.

So again - if you can afford it and you want to configure one - $50K is not a bad plan.
Oh, so it's that binary, huh? Either you can afford it, so you should pay current/past inflated asking prices, or you can't afford it. Well, I can afford it whether there is a downturn in the economy or not. Perhaps I want this car but not bad enough that I'm willing to overpay. I'm not one who worships the GT3 and goes on Rennlist everyday to shoot the **** and to bl*w other GT3 owners. I like my current cars plenty enough. If a GT3 in a spec to my liking comes down to a price that I think is fair on the resale market, then I'll pull the trigger. And, if what I think may happen actually happens, it's not waiting two years to get a 15,000 mile one. To point to 991.2 prices over the last three years, well, prices were over-inflated, plain and simple. If you didn't notice, we went through a period of complete and utter asset bubblicious period. That's not going to happen again for a while.
Old 04-11-2023, 02:28 AM
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I’ve been on Rennlist for 20 years or so, so I’ve seen a lot and history while it doesn’t always repeat it does rhyme. How I’ve seen this play out is very similar to real estate. People sit on the sidelines, they expect a bubble and when prices do depress, they make all the excuses to not enter the market, until prices start to rise again and then they are right back where they started from.
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Old 04-11-2023, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Boltsfan
AlexC already said that I would miss the 992 generations but now you're telling me that I will be GT3-less forever? Wow, that's rough. Keep on with the fear-mongering, FOMO cheerleader.

I don't disagree that this car is worth something over MSRP, but at least for me, getting at $20k over MSRP is not a possibility. I'm not waiting years to get this car; I'm waiting months.

Um, the cars going to be two years old soon. So you have waited two years and not much has changed. ADM’s are the nearly the same. Scroll back to first post

You would have been better off paying 50k over 2 years ago when they came out. The 20k in price increases would have protected you since all you care about it value.

You could have put 10k miles on a 190k spec (+50k) in two years. Been the first owner. Started a relationship with a dealer. Then listed it this year for $240 if you no longer wanted it.

It Would be one of the lowest asking prices. Realistically sell it for 220 all day long. Cost for you would have been 20k over 2 years and many many happy miles. You’re right it is a depreciating asset, but 833 a month still wouldn’t have been a good deal for you? (20k over 2 years).

But hey, woulda shoulda coulda. When and if you do find a new one for 20k over no one will care. I told you so won’t matter cuz people will be on to the next 992.2. So good luck trying to time the market. You’re already a generation behind.


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Old 04-11-2023, 09:44 AM
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Will put this out there as food for thought for those still looking to buy a 992 GT3. I got my 2021 992 TTS at the 2021 MSRP of $236k. It has 2k miles, new condition, and CPO, so I view it as being a new car. Current MSRP for the same car is $263k, and if you add say $40k ADM like many GT3 guys are paying, it would be about a $300k car. With the sport PASM, the car feels crisp on the road, it goes like hell with the 640 hp, and it sounds good and is plenty loud at higher revs. Randy Pobst described the car as having a lot of GT3 stirred into it, and being like a GT3 with 200 more ft-lb of torque. It's an option to consider if you can't get the GT3 you want at the price you want.

Keep in mind that these laps are with a regular summer tire, not an R-comp like Cup 2:


Old 04-11-2023, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
and it sounds good and is plenty loud at higher revs.
Ummmm.... no.

Old 04-11-2023, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C.
It appears an acceptable premium for a buildable touring would be $30k to $50k?
If anyone has a buildable touring allocation for 30-50k let me know, ill take it. (Unfortunately I'm not holding my breath).
Old 04-11-2023, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RossP
If anyone has a buildable touring allocation for 30-50k let me know, ill take it. (Unfortunately I'm not holding my breath).
I haven't had one in that range in a while. I have at least 5 clients who'd be buyers immediately in that price range.
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Old 04-11-2023, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bpeacock
I haven't had one in that range in a while. I have at least 5 clients who'd be buyers immediately in that price range.
Not surprised.
Old 04-11-2023, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
and it sounds good and is plenty loud at higher revs
Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
Ummmm.... no.
Turbos have never sounded that good but let’s face it… the 992 GT3 sounds like a vacuum cleaner. At the very least needs OPF delete, and once that’s done a catback exhaust wouldn’t hurt
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Old 04-11-2023, 01:42 PM
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