rusmani

Anyways, to try and remotely steer this thread back on topic..

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...omments-anchor

Currently at $45k over MSRP including $5k BAT fee. Color is not my cup of tea personally, but I know some folks are all about it. I predict it ends around $250k plus 5k BAT fee.

rusmani

Agree that things need to stay civil.

I don't think prices are going to come down tremendously. Winter is not sports car season so I think we are seeing some effects of that now. Demand still remains high for GT cars and allocations for 992.1 GT3 are pretty much washed up. Demand will carry over for the 992.2. If you aren't in a rush, waiting for a few months isn't a bad move, but I wouldn't expect to see prices start tanking.

I follow a lot of different car segments and prices for a lot of cars are still sky high. Hot hatches (Golf R, Civic Type R, GR Corolla) are at 5-20k over MSRP. Go try to find any of those at sticker. Many Toyota products (especially TRD Pro), but even Sienna's (!!!), are coming with an ADM. I'm sure things will cool down in due time, but still crazy to see how long this has carried on.

Diablo Dude

I'll be the first to put the Chief ADM Nanny on ignore.

usctrojanGT3

Yeah sometimes the bubble takes time to deflate and cars aren't going to plummet in price because the economy isn't in bad shape but we'll see prices drift lower in time. The canary in the coalmine are the pricing at the wholesale level at auctions and those prices are going lower each week. Dealers can be stubborn and keep prices high all the want but then they'll just have inventory piling up and last time I checked dealers are in business to sell their cars not to keep them on their lots for months and months.

Ascend

Dealers need to move cars in order to make money. Just going to autotrader and see how many "price reduced" tags you see on the cars. I see them on CGTs as well, those that were priced ridiculously high.

Jbravo23

we were getting along just fine. Until comments like below.

the stupid, dumb people comments you like to throw in about people who paid adm is what started this whole thing.

When you yourself have paid adm in the past.

clearly my man Diablo is not dumb, nor impatient. He could have any car and yet he chose a gt3 with an adm. says a lot about the car, the buyer, and the brand.

what gets lost in all this is the fact the brand is killing it right now. Eveything they make they can’t make enough. Hence why everyone’s here on a Porsche forum everyday. There’s really no one to be upset with. Not the dealer not the flipper, no one. There’s too much demand. Period.

no one enjoys paying adm, but that was my strategy and you know what it worked. Had discussions with my GM and said sticker for sticker on my next gt car. So you know what? My adm just got cut in half. Car after that just cut it in thirds. Etc etc. so long term all my adm did was get me in the door.

Here you go bouncer here’s a hundo to get me in. Now I can have all the tail I want inside this nightclub and guess what? This place is crawling with tail.


haha. Made me feel poor and motivated at the same time.

Diablo Dude

Naaaaa,,,, you just dont get it.
I'm about as honest and transparent as one can get.
Maybe its a big deal to you, but it's no skin off my back because I live in a BS-free environment and there's a "scoreboard."

This thread ceased being useful about two months ago when the Chief ADM "Nanny" showed up telling what people should and shouldnt do with their money.
Never mind telling people that if you buy a GT car and dont track it (even a Touring with no downforce) then you're really lame and are taking away someone else's opportunity to buy a GT car and track it. I dont know if I've ever heard of a more absurd claim, let alone one that smacks of socialism. I've been to East Germany. Had relatives in Dresden. Dont need to listen to people play God and allocate their morality. That's not what Porsche has ever been about, nor will they ever be. They're about **** eating grin PERFORMANCE.

What's even more telling is that the Administrators of this site dont care about people making personal attacks.
Calling people "dumb" or "suckers" for paying an ADM is ridiculous poor form. I thought that there was a more "sophisticated" poster at this forum and people were civil.
But that's clearly not the case and Trolls are allowed to run wild.

I'm done with this thread.
Happy New Year!

usctrojanGT3

I'm stating my opinion/take so there should be no reason get all bent out of shape. If you disagree that's fine, say it and provide an opinion as to why you disagree. If someone paid a $100k+ ADM obviously they could afford it (or at least I'd hope) and they really wanted the car at whatever cost. But it's not all of the buyer's fault, they are playing a rigged game with a lot of dealer misinformation and deception.

Jbravo23

no one’s bent out of shape.

So your opinion is people who pay adm are dumb. So you consider yourself dumb. Got it.

Boltsfan

I see that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. That's okay, your alpha male attitude makes up for it, I'm sure. I've never said that I don't like what "owners" have to say. In fact, I've said the opposite. I want to hear different viewpoints. You've added nothing by your post other than making a baseless accusation that I'm a shill. Whatever.

I'll try and use simple words this time. I'm looking at the resale market, and info in this thread is ostensibly helpful (oops, I used "ostensibly" - look it up). Maybe nothing's changed for the new GT3 market, but for the resale market, look at Autotrader and the number of times you see "Reduced Price". You are going to see that phrase more often this year.

Jbravo23

oh hey,

glad you showed up. Just in time.

Please don’t assume my gender. It’s rude.

Never said you were a shill. You just did.

Boltsfan

My apologies. Revise my prior post with "That's okay, your alpha male/female attitude makes up for it, I'm sure."

The rest stands.

usctrojanGT3

Never said that, there's a difference in paying a $100k+ ADM and paying a $25k-50k ADM. Remember how I said the 991.1 GT3RSs were going for $100k-$150k ADMs early on? Well I waited until the end of production and the lowest ADM that I could find was $50k ADM was the lowest one that I could find. I said that the people that pay the BIG ADMs ($100k+) are the ones that are the most impatient and fall for the stealer games/BS or just given a crap.

Jbravo23

apology accepted

yes, used car prices will continue to “reduce” in price, that is nothing new. But the topic is adm and we can’t necessarily correlate adm to used cars as we don’t know what the first or second buyer paid for the car.

so used car prices are just priced according to what the market is currently. It will be two years soon and as of today it’s still a hot market for the gt3.

It’s all dependent on spec. Good ones will hold value better than some of the monstrosities people build.

Add that along with the fact that even if you get an allocation (supposedly very few available) there’s a number options you can’t even get right now.

usctrojanGT3

Don't let him discourage you from posting on here. I listen to the news and watch informative YouTube videos from car industry folks because I might potentially buy a used Ferrari once it gets to a certain price level so I'm curious what is going on with the market and I too keep seeing "Reduced Price" on AutoTrader and Car Gurus so it's a safe assumption that ALL car prices are heading lower...how much and how fast are the only questions. It's guaranteed that you'll be able to buy a used GT3 for a lower price in 6-12 months than you will today, prices won't plummet but they'll definitely go down. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. That's why I've said that anyone who is patient will be able to buy a GT3 at a lower price.