Stop Sale Campaign on 911 with Sport Chrono?
#451
Rennlist Member
Gentlemen, when you complete a smog check the machine checks the idle speed. When you are in sport and sport + your idle speed increases. This is a clear violation and you are altering a smog device. Plus in sport and sport plus your temperatures are lower which plays a role in the air fuel mixer of the vehicle. Another violation of smog checks.
I noticed that my old Fiat Abarth run pretty herky-jerky in the morning for the first few hundred feet, even down hill or on flat ground. Curiously, selecting Sport mode smoothed everything out. Sort of like a modern choke. I did it every time the car misbehaved when cold. My guess was it richened the mixture, but who knows. If it's something like this, a fix probably wouldn't be end of world…we need to see more cards. "My car doesn't perform to its maximum when the engine oil is cold" wouldn't decrease value for me.
#452
Rennlist Member
True but the whole idea behind that was to prepare the car for hard driving not to warm the planet. I mean honestly, how many cars is this going to effect?? Does it have to be the fix for all this is something that will downgrade the performance of our cars?
Mercedes and BMW have sport and sport plus in their cars why isnt there a class action suit on those makes as well??
Mercedes and BMW have sport and sport plus in their cars why isnt there a class action suit on those makes as well??
#453
Pro
So you're saying someone removed a smog device from the 911 during the official smog test? Isn't that what sport and sport + do? Higher idle speed, lower coolant temps, more fuel being dumped into the cylinders. That all effects the "smog" being produced by the vehicle. If this stop sale campaign is larger than just sport chrono than so be it. Germany is notorious for avoiding any corporate responsibility. Mercedes has avoided so many dangerous recalls. Porsche isn't any different.
Last edited by Southbranch; 12-07-2020 at 03:07 PM.
#454
Rennlist Member
Not during the test - after it. News articles linked by other in this thread indicate that Porsche may have changed the transmission gearing in the vehicles it sold compared to what it previously reported to the government when it certified compliance with new motor vehicle standards. Porsche may also have made some other, more subtle changes to make its Sport Chrono production cars perform better than the Sport Chrono vehicles it used for official certification. Sport and Sport+ modes would be perfectly legal as long as Porsche honestly certified them as being in compliance with new car pollution rules. The big question being investigated is whether that actually happened.
Last edited by visitador; 12-07-2020 at 04:01 PM.
#455
Rennlist Member
Gentlemen, when you complete a smog check the machine checks the idle speed. When you are in sport and sport + your idle speed increases. This is a clear violation and you are altering a smog device. Plus in sport and sport plus your temperatures are lower which plays a role in the air fuel mixer of the vehicle. Another violation of smog checks.
#456
Racer
To further add to the confusion, my service advisor told me that not all 991.1’s are affected, only those found on a specific vin list. Mine (2016 991.1S with SC) is not on the list and is unaffected according to her. This makes no sense. PNA wouldn’t give out any information at all when I called them.
#457
To further add to the confusion, my service advisor told me that not all 991.1’s are affected, only those found on a specific vin list. Mine (2016 991.1S with SC) is not on the list and is unaffected according to her. This makes no sense. PNA wouldn’t give out any information at all when I called them.
Why would yours be affected in any way, as it's not a car for sale from a Porsche dealership.
#458
Racer
SA represented that a master list of vins exists that fall within the purview of the stop sale, I suppose so they could identify cars they had in inventory or would be potential trade ins. The idea is not believable to me at this point but just reporting what I was told. Hope that clears it up.
#459
Pro
SA represented that a master list of vins exists that fall within the purview of the stop sale, I suppose so they could identify cars they had in inventory or would be potential trade ins. The idea is not believable to me at this point but just reporting what I was told. Hope that clears it up.
#460
Racer
#461
Jay
#462
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Ladies & Gents, you are fretting about nothing. Declare your cars autonomous zones and your home free.
All kidding aside, how the hell could a GT3 not be included. The GT3 only has two settings, Normal and Sport. My normal mode is about equivalent to Sport + on a Carrera (S) SC, my Sport is another world all together. This is all very interesting and does not make much sense to me.
All kidding aside, how the hell could a GT3 not be included. The GT3 only has two settings, Normal and Sport. My normal mode is about equivalent to Sport + on a Carrera (S) SC, my Sport is another world all together. This is all very interesting and does not make much sense to me.
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#463
Pro
Edit: See post #211 above by 981KMAN for a PDF of the stop sale order.
Last edited by Southbranch; 12-07-2020 at 09:26 PM.
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