Bud Taylor

I see these going up in value if they are recalled. My logic is that everyone wants something they can not have. If the dealers nueter these cars then the unnuetered ones will gain in $$$.

Porsche911GTS'16

I agree - the un-neutured cars will be like "forbidden fruit." Forbidden in some states, but perhaps not in all states.

afk

but if you cant register and drive -- who cares?

.2PDK

"I'll give you my Porsche when you pry it from my cold, dead hands"

stout

Too many questions right now, but yes—basically anything with a Sport button that alters engine operating parameters if those parameters effect things to a certain extent. Lots of ambiguity there, too, but my personal take: If the government body didn't disallow it in period, unfair to go back and disallow it now.

tmarino

Do you know how many auto rentals I have driven in the last few years on my business travels where almost 100% of them, foreign and domestic, have some type of 'SPORT' mode on them? Most of them are 'dogs' until you put them in SPORT mode. If that mode was not made available you would see car and truck sales plummet for sure.

Tom in Reno

uphoto

Exactly.

There is WAY TOO much assuming going on here, so let me assume too.......

This has NOTHING to do with sports buttons or modes and everything to do with Porsche lying about something or changing the cars from original tests. OR there is some legal amount of change that you can do with a "sport" button that we are not aware of because EVERY manufacturer right now has a sport mode. Our Volvo XC90 is gutless in regular mode and then in sport it's a beast, like night and day difference, so I don't see this as being the issue.

I think assumptions are being made just to try and figure out why it's only the SC models with the Sport Plus mode, which if it has anything to do with those buttons then maybe it has to do with how much that last button does.

Al.Fresco

Seems to me all cars must comply with emissions standards in all modes. I'm guessing Porsche knew these 991.1s did not comply in Sport + mode, so they added a cheat of some sort to pass the emissions testing for the model(s), then removed/didn't include the cheat on the cars sold.. That's my read of the tea leaves.

SConn

My question, if this is the case, is why? Why would they do this for S+ specifically?
Most people cannot drive in sport plus mode on public roads. It's just too ridiculous. So they did it specifically for the track? I also find this hard to believe.

Al.Fresco

In the dot 1s, Sport + in auto PDK mode is really only usable on the track, and presumably what it was programmed for. But because it’s an available mode, my theory is that it had to pass initial emission testing in that mode also, which is where the problems began. Sport + shift points were changed in the dot 2s so you could actually drive it on the street vs the dot 1s where every shift is at redline in Sport + PDK/ auto. Clearly those redline shift points cannot be emission friendly in a larger displacement NA engine, but Porsche needed the full juice of Sport + as configured to ring out every ounce from the NA engine to make its performance stats competitive. Of course, all just a theory.

SConn

So you're basically saying that Porsche specifically designed a "track only" mode in the dot 1's via S+? It just seems that even when auto makers say they want their cars tracked or claim they can/should be tracked, they don't really mean it and show it by doing things like "voiding warranties" when a car has been found to be tracked after a break down.
I really don't know.. I'm honestly asking because that theory just doesn't add up to me.

BlueNorther

You must have a pdk. Sports+ is the default mode in my manual 991.2 GTS daily driver.

stout

Too much speculation, too many assumptions on this thread—but a stop sale was going to lead to that.

Al.Fresco

I am saying that Porsche needed the full juice of Sport + as configured, to ring out every ounce from the NA engine to make its performance stats competitive.

Al.Fresco

With no communication from Porsche to fill the silence, it’s only human nature to speculate. ;-)