My991

Makes no sense since used cars are sold countrywide.

OCNYPORSCHE

The problem here is that it is deceptive to say the cars perform a certain way using modified “test” parts that will show better numbers. Then sell different “inferior” parts under those pretenses. I owned 2 (Panamera and 991.1) both with sport chrono. But this is a classic bait and switch. It does not matter who is bringing this up or the environment per se, its about deceitful practices.

worf928

Has malfeasance by PAG been proven in court, or settled? Or is it still under investigation?

Isn’t this entire CA suite predicated on PAG’s proven or admitted guilt?

Porschejam

What makes no sense is the arbitrary rules set up by California and the EPA for a car manufacturer. If you sell sports cars, that's your niche. If you sell econoboxes THAT's your niche. Not every manufacturer should be required to be in the same business. California has been permitted to dictate the rules for everyone else.

AdamSanta85

I don't think Porsche is required to meet CA requirements, as long as they don't want to sell their cars in CA. However they would probably be giving up their largest US market.

I could have sworn I saw a Nissan a few years back that had a California trim to meet their requirements.

uphoto

Show us on the body map where it was that California touched you. It’s going to be okay.

worf928

Ok. Here:





No it is not. You - Mr it's-gonna-be-ok - are almost surrounded.

spiderspider

says the guy from Reno, where Californians flee to evade taxes..

bb964

stout

Let's avoid red/blue politics lest the thread get shut down, and stick to the issue: emissions.

And this really isn't a CA-only thing anyway. Roughly 25% of states have decided to follow its lead on emissions—as have many other countries, if they haven't exceeded CA's requirements of late. Those states and countries adopted or made those laws out of their own sovereignty—imperfect as it may be (welcome to everywhere!). A lot of lives have been saved as a result, and a lot of lives have been improved as a result. This is a demonstrable fact. Has it come with a cost? Yes. And like everyone else, I've had to pay for it—not just in taxes or more expensive cars, but out of pocket for emissions tests, etc.

I feel it's been worth it.

Those living outside of CA don't have a clue as to the day-to-day magnitude of the air pollution here. My father, an engineer/car guy/matter-of-fact American who could hardly be called a tree-hugger, tells me I don't have a clue either—and that back in the 1970s, he couldn't see the bay from his office at LBL most days, let alone the docks in Oakland or the city of San Francisco. By the 1990s, most days were crystal clear and blue in the Bay Area…something that still couldn't be said for the Los Angeles area. I remember my trips down there in the 1990s, and my shock at the brown skies. But it goes well beyond nice blue skies for the heavily populated areas: Our air pollution up here gets pushed down to the central valley—breadbasket for a lot of our country. And while this is anecdotal, I've been noticing that the pretty blue skies of the last couple of decades seem to be rarer lately. Hazy or smoggy skies seem to be more and more common. With MUCH cleaner cars, I have to wonder why. Is it population growth? More people choosing to drive trucks instead of cars? Or?

As much as cars manufacturers are easy political scapegoats (check out the recent reports on owner-modified diesel pickups…potentially millions of them), and as much as I believe many of the goals and standards levied on light vehicles are unrealistic and onerous in light of other measures that might be taken, we have to do something to curb vehicle fleet emissions. As for the cheating, whether by manufacturers or individuals, our tests are idiotic. From "self certification" to test sites to no ongoing/regular testing for diesels, our laws are effectively set up to encourage cheating, whether by corporations (including similar accusations against Ford, GM, FCA/Cummins, and more…) or by individuals. Roadside test technology has been around for decades, and talk about a way to cut emissions and level the playing field: real-world tests (even if you allow a large margin, instead targeting out-of-tune gross polluters only) of the whole vehicle fleet (new or old) in real time, all the time. But no, even in CA we exempt new cars from any testing at all and require the rest of the fleet to make extra trips to and from test centers every two years, consuming how much fuel and emitting how much as the full fleet does so?

I guess I take a different perspective as a car nut: The more that air pollution is a widespread problem, the more likely it is that our ability to have fun with cars will be threatened. Or, at least, we'll be pushed towards fewer choices and increasingly uninteresting ones. We only get so many chips to play with, and wasting them on bland/heavy SUVs—or huge increases in pollution for a extra few horses or more black smoke—is a bummer for all of us.

uphoto

You're saying it as if it's a bad thing......

And welcome to the forum!!!!

Upscale Audio

I assume everyone on this thread watched the Volkswagon scandal episode called "Hard Nox" on the Netflix "Dirty Money" series?

It talks not just about Volkswagon but the German auto industry as a whole including conflict of interest and how German car companies even prevented the press from renting and using test equipment. It is an incredible episode that I've wanted more than once.

flgfish

So I read the text of that lawsuit, and Sport Chrono is not mentioned in the complaint. Are we sure that this is what the stop-sale is about?

uphoto

I noticed that too but try to find a SC optioned car for sale right now from a dealership, none out there but there are ones without.

B Russ

So after all these posts we still dont know anything concrete