Stop Sale Campaign on 911 with Sport Chrono?
#436
If we are all in agreement that this class action lawsuit is bs, then let's get together and opt out of it. I don't know what is the threshold for a class action, but if nobody joins, then there is no lawsuit
I am sure the owner and lawyers who are reading this forum may have a heart attack now
I am sure the owner and lawyers who are reading this forum may have a heart attack now
I think they've already lined up 100 "victims".
Last edited by Porschejam; 12-06-2020 at 10:58 PM.
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Porschejam (12-07-2020)
#439
If we are all in agreement that this class action lawsuit is bs, then let's get together and opt out of it. I don't know what is the threshold for a class action, but if nobody joins, then there is no lawsuit
I am sure the owner and lawyers who are reading this forum may have a heart attack now
I am sure the owner and lawyers who are reading this forum may have a heart attack now
Anyway, none of us actually know what this is about, just a bunch of guessing..........
#442
I was at Porsche of Colorado Springs yesterday and asked their sales manager about this. He doesn't know any specifics, but he told me two things....
1. They are still taking stop-sale affected cars on trade-in
2. They cannot wholesale them or trade them to other dealers
I asked about wholesale and dealer trades, because I know they've traded cars to and from Denver area dealers like Mike Ward McLaren. Apparently that is off limits according to Porsche for the time being as well.
1. They are still taking stop-sale affected cars on trade-in
2. They cannot wholesale them or trade them to other dealers
I asked about wholesale and dealer trades, because I know they've traded cars to and from Denver area dealers like Mike Ward McLaren. Apparently that is off limits according to Porsche for the time being as well.
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desmotesta (12-07-2020)
#445
Gentlemen, when you complete a smog check the machine checks the idle speed. When you are in sport and sport + your idle speed increases. This is a clear violation and you are altering a smog device. Plus in sport and sport plus your temperatures are lower which plays a role in the air fuel mixer of the vehicle. Another violation of smog checks.
#446
Gentlemen, when you complete a smog check the machine checks the idle speed. When you are in sport and sport + your idle speed increases. This is a clear violation and you are altering a smog device. Plus in sport and sport plus your temperatures are lower which plays a role in the air fuel mixer of the vehicle. Another violation of smog checks.
Mercedes and BMW have sport and sport plus in their cars why isnt there a class action suit on those makes as well??
#447
Gentlemen, when you complete a smog check the machine checks the idle speed. When you are in sport and sport + your idle speed increases. This is a clear violation and you are altering a smog device. Plus in sport and sport plus your temperatures are lower which plays a role in the air fuel mixer of the vehicle. Another violation of smog checks.
#448
Gentlemen, when you complete a smog check the machine checks the idle speed. When you are in sport and sport + your idle speed increases. This is a clear violation and you are altering a smog device. Plus in sport and sport plus your temperatures are lower which plays a role in the air fuel mixer of the vehicle. Another violation of smog checks.
Illegal alteration of a smog device - tampering - is different. It involves after-sale messing with the OEM setup, not using it. Removing the cats or reprogramming the computer for higher performance are typical examples of tampering. Technically, even switching to a non-OEM approved diameter tire can be tampering since it could increase the grams of pollution per mile that a car puts out.
#449
The states that enforce auto emissions standards as a condition of licensing typically have less stringent limits than those that applied to the vehicles when they were manufactured, so it certainly is possible that a car could leave the factory violating the new car emission rules but still pass a state smog test. Also, the older the vehicle, the more tolerance is built into the smog test standard because vehicles tend to pollute more as they accumulate miles. In other words, a 2013 model is not held to the same standards as a 2021 model, and it is not even held to the same standard that it was supposed to meet when new.
#450
No, it's not a violation. In order to sell cars with Sport Chrono in the US, Porsche certified that its new vehicles also met applicable emission limits (as it must) in sport and sport + modes. That's how other makers like Subaru and Mercedes have similar performance settings that the driver can switch on and off. At issue here is whether Porsche falsely certified that emission limits were met in all operating modes.
Illegal alteration of a smog device - tampering - is different. It involves after-sale messing with the OEM setup, not using it. Removing the cats or reprogramming the computer for higher performance are typical examples of tampering. Technically, even switching to a non-OEM approved diameter tire can be tampering since it could increase the grams of pollution per mile that a car puts out.
Illegal alteration of a smog device - tampering - is different. It involves after-sale messing with the OEM setup, not using it. Removing the cats or reprogramming the computer for higher performance are typical examples of tampering. Technically, even switching to a non-OEM approved diameter tire can be tampering since it could increase the grams of pollution per mile that a car puts out.