Stop Sale Campaign on 911 with Sport Chrono?
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Of course it is. Read this Porsche emissionscheating and simply google it. Conflating means putting them together. Exact same people doing it? Probably not. Big company. Same culture that permeates the company? Absolutely.
I'd put money on it that it's the exact same deal as Dieselgate....or not too far off. The heavy hand of a stop-sale is not because some bureaucrat t doesn't like the popping noise of the exhaust.
I'd put money on it that it's the exact same deal as Dieselgate....or not too far off. The heavy hand of a stop-sale is not because some bureaucrat t doesn't like the popping noise of the exhaust.
That's an allegation. Written by some lawyers in California. Surely you know the difference between an allegation and proof.
Analyzing people's motivations based on the scarce information we have is probably above anyone here's pay grade or abilities.
I did watch a bit of your Netflix documentary. Wow, what a propaganda piece. The Hitler film clips were a bit heavy-handed. I will finish watching it, but it's not like those folks don't have an agenda.
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It seems to me that the "key" here is if the specified Porsche models "cheat" testing in Normal mode or in Sport/Sport+ mode. If the former then why is the stop-sale linked to SC?
If only in Sport/Sport+ mode then why is it even an issue since neither Sport or Sport+ would have been activated by default under any testing condition?
If non-SC-equipped models didn't "cheat" in normal mode, why would SC-equipped models need to "cheat" in normal mode?
I find no references to use of the mode switch in the lawsuit. (Although I have not yet done a slow, exhaustive reading of it.)
So why is the lawsuit linked to the stop-sale?
It would appear that the lawsuit is independent of SC and therefor of the stop-sale based upon what I see.
More questions than answers here.
If only in Sport/Sport+ mode then why is it even an issue since neither Sport or Sport+ would have been activated by default under any testing condition?
If non-SC-equipped models didn't "cheat" in normal mode, why would SC-equipped models need to "cheat" in normal mode?
I find no references to use of the mode switch in the lawsuit. (Although I have not yet done a slow, exhaustive reading of it.)
So why is the lawsuit linked to the stop-sale?
It would appear that the lawsuit is independent of SC and therefor of the stop-sale based upon what I see.
More questions than answers here.
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I was blissfully unaware of this stop sale campaign, and I went to a local dealer to test a 991.1 GTS last week. Got a call today that they have had to take it off the market until the campaign is over. When asked for how long that would be, the speculation was 6 months, who knows. I was told this only applies to authorized Porsche dealers, however, so if I truly wanted such a car I could buy it private party or from another dealer. Too bad, but I've also been looking at 992s anyways, so we'll see what my next Porsche turns out to be.
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I wonder how many customers who come in to a Porsche dealer looking for a late model used 911 end up getting switched to a shiny new 992 because of the stop sale campaign. I also wonder if the dealers are wholesaling affected cars they take in on trade instead of holding them until the stop is lifted.
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I was blissfully unaware of this stop sale campaign, and I went to a local dealer to test a 991.1 GTS last week. Got a call today that they have had to take it off the market until the campaign is over. When asked for how long that would be, the speculation was 6 months, who knows. I was told this only applies to authorized Porsche dealers, however, so if I truly wanted such a car I could buy it private party or from another dealer. Too bad, but I've also been looking at 992s anyways, so we'll see what my next Porsche turns out to be.
Worth waiting for no?
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I wonder how many customers who come in to a Porsche dealer looking for a late model used 911 end up getting switched to a shiny new 992 because of the stop sale campaign. I also wonder if the dealers are wholesaling affected cars they take in on trade instead of holding them until the stop is lifted.
That means private party sales are now at a premium as you cant buy them anywhere else (if you are prepared to take the 'risk' - whatever that is)
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Interesting events unfold everyday related to this thread. My dealer in CA just listed (within days) a 2016 Carrera s, with PDK and sport chrono. I read the description and then looked at the interior photos to be sure.
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Originally Posted by spiderv6
Well I guess stop sale would include wholesale/auction? Presumably they are stuck with these cars in inventory until this plays out?
That means private party sales are now at a premium as you cant buy them anywhere else (if you are prepared to take the 'risk' - whatever that is)
That means private party sales are now at a premium as you cant buy them anywhere else (if you are prepared to take the 'risk' - whatever that is)
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Seems to me that in the short term, this will actually push UP the values.
I think prices will be more or less constant or slightly less until more is understood. I also think buyers will be looking at newer cars.
I also read on German news sites that new owners, purchased used car after the issue was made public, will not be entitled for compensation because the knew (correctly or incorrectly) of the issue beforehand. I believe that is why Porsche had to put sale on hold.
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That's an allegation. Written by some lawyers in California. Surely you know the difference between an allegation and proof.
Analyzing people's motivations based on the scarce information we have is probably above anyone here's pay grade or abilities.
I did watch a bit of your Netflix documentary. Wow, what a propaganda piece. The Hitler film clips were a bit heavy-handed. I will finish watching it, but it's not like those folks don't have an agenda.
Analyzing people's motivations based on the scarce information we have is probably above anyone here's pay grade or abilities.
I did watch a bit of your Netflix documentary. Wow, what a propaganda piece. The Hitler film clips were a bit heavy-handed. I will finish watching it, but it's not like those folks don't have an agenda.
As to the Netflix story being a propaganda piece, please. Volkswagon used propaganda with Clean Diesel. Nothing in that story was untrue and the more you study it the worse it gets, especially for people that live in the EU where Volkswagon tried like hell to minimize their responsibilities to the customers they lied to.
How they are trying to evade responsibility in Europe Dieselgate five years on: VW still stalling
Car and Driver article Everything you need to know
Wikipedia Wikipedia
While I'm not a fan of attornies profiteering, I'm also not a fan of my $160k car being negatively affected. Nothing positive about this.