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Old 03-04-2015, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
I'm a big fan of titanium, if I kept my 3 I was going to buy an Akra exhaust for $8k to $12k. Most probably the $12k evolution one, so it makes a pretty big dent in the GT3 to RS price difference.
Nate that's a fail mate because I guarantee once you buy the RS you'll want the RS akro full exhaust they are no doubt already working on. From what I hear the porsche Ti stuff doesn't last the distance with heavy tracking so might be a waste anyhow if you are doing track work...

The height information is in the dealer spec sheets. I'll post them for you later but it's all been posted I think already...
Old 03-04-2015, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by IvanBurns
Oh, come on Mike, surely that Lava (Red!) Orange is worth $45K to you!
I could do the same thing with $100 worth of Plastidip! Would look great, I'm sure. Alex......?
Old 03-04-2015, 10:38 PM
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Thanks macca.

Regarding the lift are we assuming the lip is the same height as the gt3?
Old 03-04-2015, 10:38 PM
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Oh look here a 4.2L!


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/04/ruf-rgt-geneva-2015/
Old 03-04-2015, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Pete. Just finished watching the Hartley YouTube video on the 991 RS. Look it up on YouTube. Can't believe It's only had 100 views. He's a kiwi as you know and has some seat time in 991 GT3 here in NZ. Anyway it's not some marketing footage more real world. I keep thinking how tall the RS looks even tho only 17mm at the front axle. But the thick front splitter and the higher sidewall rear tyres is throwing my eye.

We know the car is 22mm higher than the GT3. Obviously 17nn suspension which compresses between 200-300 kmph and the another 5mm or so for the bubbles on the roof.

So what happens to the COG advantages AP talks about with 1kg roof, 4kg rear glass, 5kg for the two front fenders and /kg for CF hood? Surely a 22mm higher car would offset weight reduction COG up till 200++ kmph? Seems an odd argument to me.
So you're likely correct- lightening the roof, rear glass, etc isn't going to lower the CG as much as raising the whole car 17mm raises it. The wider track will mitigate the effect of the higher CG, but not eliminate it. I think the point is still fair, and the focus on things that reduce CG (and polar moment with the bumpers, etc) will still help, but the impression given that the CG is lower is likely not correct.

If it was my car, however, and I'm living in the US the first thing I'd do is look at the tracks I run and lower the car accordingly. If I'm topping out at 135 mph at Laguna I'll be making half the downforce I would on the autobahn, meaning I can probably safely drop the car around 10mm right off the bat. You'd need to be careful with the math and aero balance, but I suspect the higher ride height could be academic for many owners. Even if it's not I'd clearly want to run higher and with the extra downforce than lower and without it...
Old 03-04-2015, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie140
Has anyone seen the purple anywhere? I'm getting pressured by my stealer to spec my car and have no idea how the purple will actually appear.

Get the purple, you won't regret it. By the sounds of it, there will be no PTS and it will look great next to your Riv 3.
Old 03-04-2015, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Pete. Just finished watching the Hartley YouTube video on the 991 RS. Look it up on YouTube. Can't believe It's only had 100 views. He's a kiwi as you know and has some seat time in 991 GT3 here in NZ. Anyway it's not some marketing footage more real world. I keep thinking how tall the RS looks even tho only 17mm at the front axle. But the thick front splitter and the higher sidewall rear tyres is throwing my eye.

We know the car is 22mm higher than the GT3. Obviously 17nn suspension which compresses between 200-300 kmph and the another 5mm or so for the bubbles on the roof.

So what happens to the COG advantages AP talks about with 1kg roof, 4kg rear glass, 5kg for the two front fenders and /kg for CF hood? Surely a 22mm higher car would offset weight reduction COG up till 200++ kmph? Seems an odd argument to me.
The height of the RS vs the GT3 may partly be due to the larger tires:

Front:
GT3: 245/35-20 = 67.945 cm tall with center of tire at 33.97 cm
RS: 265/35-20 = 69.342 cm tall with center of tire at 34.67 cm

Rear:
GT3: 305/30-20 = 69.088 cm tall with center of tire at 35.54 cm
RS: 325/30-21= 72.847 cm tall with center of tire at 36.42 cm

So, the center of the RS front tire is 7mm taller than the GT3 and the center of the RS rear tire is 8.8mm taller
Old 03-04-2015, 10:51 PM
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Omg! So it comes in Orange?
Old 03-04-2015, 11:30 PM
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but are the RS tail lights smoked?
Old 03-04-2015, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by drdonger
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but are the RS tail lights smoked?
Yes...lightly
Old 03-04-2015, 11:39 PM
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Anyone know if there are prod numbers for the 991 GT3RS?
Worldwide
North America (PCNA)

Is it limited like the 997GT3 RS 4.0 was?
Old 03-04-2015, 11:43 PM
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Default 'Lava Orange' and a Comparison to Previous Porsche Oranges...

Originally Posted by GTEE3
If anyone at the show can give us a personal insight of the Lava Orange color, it would be appreciated!
And a comparison to previous Porsche Oranges' even better!
TIA
Originally Posted by GreenLantern
Re: Lava Orange -> https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...l#post12089491
(Many thanks to Eduardo, as always.)
This might be a better up-to-date summary. I just prepared this earlier today for my ongoing thread on 'Custom Ordering a 991' at the 991 Rennlist forum and have slightly expanded it here for the 991 gt3 forum:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...nd-you-47.html

"Until the present time, there were only two shades of solid, non-metallic 'Orange' approved for PTS at Porsche re: 991/981. They are 'Pastel Orange', color code Z17....



and 'Gulf Orange', color code 019...



The latter is a historic/vintage early 911 color which was recently approved for PTS on the 991/981 and was last used as a PTS on the 997.

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The orange 'special color' developed for the MY2007/2008 .1 997 gt3 RS was phased out as a PTS after MY2010 due to technical issues with the color. That color was called 'RS Orange' and had color code 8C6...







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Another historic/vintage color from the early 1970's - 'Continental Orange' /color code 107 - was requested recently via PTS and denied. Quite unfortunate since it's a very striking shade of orange!






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'Blutorange or Tangerine' is another historic/vintage Porsche color from the early 911/914 period. It's color code 018...







But unfortunately it was not approved for PTS on the 991/981 after a formal request from someone I helped obtain the color sample above!



At the time it was rejected, there surfaced speculation that a new 'orange' color similar to the old 'Blutorange/Tangerine' was in the works for the upcoming 991 gt3 RS and that was the reason the above request was denied.

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That rumor was confirmed yesterday when the new 991 gt3 RS was introduced at the Geneva Auto Show. One of the two special colors offered as exclusive (for the present time) on that model is 'Lava Orange'. It's a dark orange hue with some similarities to the vintage/historic 'Blutorange/Tangerine' color that is talked about above. However 'Lava Orange' is probably a new color formulation specifically developed for this model & will likely carry a unique color code rather than '019'. We don't yet know it's specific Porsche color code...although a VW Group website has identified it as 'H2'. The other special color developed exclusively for the 991 gt3 RS is the 'Ultraviolet' seen also below:






'Lava Orange' looks the business on the 991 gt3 RS, especially when exposed to the sun!





I anticipate it will be able to be ordered on any 991/981 as an approved PTS color after one year or two, once it's exclusivity for the gt3 RS model is allowed to lapse."

Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Eduardo, .1RS Orange good. Guards red bad.
The Lava Orange looks exactly like both depending on the picture, I have no idea what it looks like. You? So good or bad for me in your opinion?
Depends on your likes. It's a variation of 'BlutOrange/Tangerine'. Do you remember this color from your Porsche youth? I do...and I liked it.

But here is something else to help you evaluate the 'oranges':



From Left to Right
Blutorange aka blood orange aka tangerine 018
Signal Orange 116
997 GT3RS Orange 8C6 (in the flesh on a whole car it looked lighter)
Gulf Orange 019

No one to date (at least on the 991/981 era) has requested 'Signal Orange' as PTS. This is an absolutely lovely color from the early 911 longhood era. It's stunning in person. I hope someone will custom order 'Signal Orange' once PTS is resume in MY2016.




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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Where's Eduardo to get us the facts on Ultraviolet??


Originally Posted by NateOZ
He normally shows up if you speculate on something and he wants to correct it with some actual facts.


Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
UltraViolet; Is it metallic? Barney, Aubergine, I have no idea...
I am hoping it's not a metallic. In the .1 997 gt3 RS 'special colors', both 'RS Green' and 'RS Orange' were solids.





I hope history repeats itself here and 'UltraViolet' is also a solid like 'Lava Orange'. I must admit to all of you that I find it odd that here we are a few days after the official debut at Geneva and Porsche has chosen NOT to show us yet a photo or video of the alternative 'Special Color' for this 991 gt3 RS! I think that is rather unprecedented...and very peculiar. And I don't have a clue as to why the mystery.

Saludos,
Eduardo
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:31 AM
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Thanks Peter. Agree with what you say. Cant imagine it would be difficult to drop the car 5-10mm.

Jon70. I think you are onto something there and why the car looks taller than the GT3. The side-walls are taller.
Old 03-05-2015, 12:37 AM
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I am with Eduardo. I have no idea why we cant see pictures of the ultraviolet. The Porsche Code I sent to my dealer for configuration is in that color, because I think it will just be very funky and cool with PCCB, black wheels, etc. But if I do get an allocation and purchase, unless I can see the ultraviolet in the flesh, might chicken out and do orange, which I think is probably the safer of the two


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