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Originally posted by SidViscous
The rules were set out. You vote whoverer gets the most votes win. In addition, there are a bunch of procedural rulees as to who can run, what they can do how they can campaign. By voting you have done the equivalent of hitting the "I Agree" button at the end of one of those long license agrements. Therefore you agree with the outcome, whatever it may be. You oaid your money, you took your chances.
The rules were set out. You vote whoverer gets the most votes win. In addition, there are a bunch of procedural rulees as to who can run, what they can do how they can campaign. By voting you have done the equivalent of hitting the "I Agree" button at the end of one of those long license agrements. Therefore you agree with the outcome, whatever it may be. You oaid your money, you took your chances.
Unfortunately, we can't "opt-out" of government. If you try, the FBI will arrest you as a terrorist. Or the IRS will bust you for tax evasion.
Since we can't opt out, we might as well vote against the corrupt politicians.
Originally posted by Geo
Oh no?
It's the single most generous country this world has ever known. Bar none.
Oh no?
It's the single most generous country this world has ever known. Bar none.
Giving "aid" to prop up despots who control valuable resources (Venezuala, Nigeria, the entire Gulf Region, etc) or strategic locations (Egypt, Turkey, Panama, etc) is not generosity.
The US doesn't give a penny without strings attached. And rarely without getting something valuable out of the deal.
The donations people voluntarily give to the Red Cross, and the work the Red Cross does around the world are generosity.
Having the IRS take money from citizens by force and distribute it to petty dictators is not.
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So once again, you don't allow people to have opinions that you don't like. That's the whole key to the game. Allowing people to believe things, even when you disagree with them.
I didn't say that I disobey laws that are passed (and don't bring up the old thread). Just that when people say I have no right to complain I tell them that I feel the opposite is true. I try to obey the laws, and I pay my taxes.
In terms of both amount of money given per capita, and total amount, many countries exceed the US. Most notably Japan.
But then again, they wouldn't have the money to give were it not for the support of the US.
I didn't say that I disobey laws that are passed (and don't bring up the old thread). Just that when people say I have no right to complain I tell them that I feel the opposite is true. I try to obey the laws, and I pay my taxes.
In terms of both amount of money given per capita, and total amount, many countries exceed the US. Most notably Japan.
But then again, they wouldn't have the money to give were it not for the support of the US.
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Hmmmm Actually I was wrong, It has been reversed and we are now the largest in total dollars, but not by GNP.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp
But Switzerland does about 3 times as much by percentage of GNP, but a pittance in total dollars.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp
But Switzerland does about 3 times as much by percentage of GNP, but a pittance in total dollars.
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I'll give it maybe another 50yrs. and it will be over, as we know it.
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What cracks me up about some folks, is they somehow feel they are more "patriotic" than the next guy because they bash the USA in public, and wrap themselves in "free speech". I wonder if they bash their parents or children in public while claiming to be a wonderful family man.
Jeeze........
Jeeze........
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Originally posted by Ag951
A truly free society shouldn't have enemies to hide things from. Why would anybody hate us if we have done nothing to hurt them?
A truly free society shouldn't have enemies to hide things from. Why would anybody hate us if we have done nothing to hurt them?
I don't know if you're using sarcasm here or something, but this is ridiculous at face value. The world is not always a nice place and not everyone means well. Just because we don't hurt anyone doesn't mean someone won't want to hurt us (using "we" and "us" in a more generic sense that talking about ours or another's government). This applies to individuals and to groups of individuals. The concept that if we just play nice with everyone we'll have nothing to worry about is naive.
If this is not what you meant, you may want to elaborate or change it outright. It's not reality.
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Originally posted by iloveporsches
Although it would be vastly different and nothing we could imagine, the world did exist for a very long time before the US, and will exist for a long time after it.
Although it would be vastly different and nothing we could imagine, the world did exist for a very long time before the US, and will exist for a long time after it.
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Originally posted by Ag951
Switzerland is much more generous, because the Swiss don't try to force their beliefs on others or invade neutral nations.
Switzerland is much more generous, because the Swiss don't try to force their beliefs on others or invade neutral nations.
Originally posted by Ag951
Giving "aid" to prop up despots who control valuable resources (Venezuala, Nigeria, the entire Gulf Region, etc) or strategic locations (Egypt, Turkey, Panama, etc) is not generosity.
The US doesn't give a penny without strings attached. And rarely without getting something valuable out of the deal.
Giving "aid" to prop up despots who control valuable resources (Venezuala, Nigeria, the entire Gulf Region, etc) or strategic locations (Egypt, Turkey, Panama, etc) is not generosity.
The US doesn't give a penny without strings attached. And rarely without getting something valuable out of the deal.
Don't get me wrong. I am not so Pollyanna that I don't think our government gives without strings attached (but I also don't think we attached strings all the time).
Originally posted by Ag951
The donations people voluntarily give to the Red Cross, and the work the Red Cross does around the world are generosity.
Having the IRS take money from citizens by force and distribute it to petty dictators is not.
The donations people voluntarily give to the Red Cross, and the work the Red Cross does around the world are generosity.
Having the IRS take money from citizens by force and distribute it to petty dictators is not.
Lastly, saying the IRS takes money by force is totally ignorant and you just lost a fair amount of respect in my eyes with that statement. You've done a pretty good job to this point of staying mostly unemotional in making your arguments, but that's pure monkey poo. For one thing, you have a choice. If you don't want to pay US taxes, you have a choice to go somewhere else. You choose to stay here and pay your taxes. Go back to the economics lesson. Despite the government collecting taxes from you... Despite what those taxes may be used for... There is still value to you for living in this country and paying your taxes. Lastly, there are people who don't pay taxes. Most eventually get caught and either pay fines or go to jail. Do you have the courage of your convictions? You invoke the names of the Founding Fathers. They had the courage of their convictions to risk life and livelihood. Sorry. You don't stack up (and I admit, I don't fill those shoes either).
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Originally posted by SidViscous
But Switzerland does about 3 times as much by percentage of GNP, but a pittance in total dollars.
But Switzerland does about 3 times as much by percentage of GNP, but a pittance in total dollars.
Switzerland has a population of 7.3 million.
The US has a population of 290 million.
On average, the Swiss donate $127/person.
On average, the US donates $44/person.
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That's through Foriegn aid. Or tax dollars distributed to foriegn governements. Those numbers don't reflect
A. Charitable donations.
B. Non fiscal aid (Japan and Germany for decades didn't need a strong military because we garaunted thier safety from invasion. Just one example)
C. Aid at home. Taking in immigrants, and in many cases giving them financial support.
A. Charitable donations.
B. Non fiscal aid (Japan and Germany for decades didn't need a strong military because we garaunted thier safety from invasion. Just one example)
C. Aid at home. Taking in immigrants, and in many cases giving them financial support.
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Originally posted by Ag951
Switzerland is much more generous, because the Swiss don't try to force their beliefs on others or invade neutral nations.
Giving "aid" to prop up despots who control valuable resources (Venezuala, Nigeria, the entire Gulf Region, etc) or strategic locations (Egypt, Turkey, Panama, etc) is not generosity.
The US doesn't give a penny without strings attached. And rarely without getting something valuable out of the deal.
Switzerland is much more generous, because the Swiss don't try to force their beliefs on others or invade neutral nations.
Giving "aid" to prop up despots who control valuable resources (Venezuala, Nigeria, the entire Gulf Region, etc) or strategic locations (Egypt, Turkey, Panama, etc) is not generosity.
The US doesn't give a penny without strings attached. And rarely without getting something valuable out of the deal.
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