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Old 01-27-2023, 10:47 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's completely not true. No business is going to sell volume cars they lose money on. Porsche had record revenues last year, even with fewer cars delivered. They're not losing money on any of them.

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they lose money on most panameras and almost all non GT caymans.
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Old 01-27-2023, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TXRubicon
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's completely not true. No business is going to sell volume cars they lose money on. Porsche had record revenues last year, even with fewer cars delivered. They're not losing money on any of them.
Ok that's fine. Was told to me by someone at Porsche.
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First used GTS 4.0 I've seen for less than $100K 2021 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0
Old 01-27-2023, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicworld
First used GTS 4.0 I've seen for less than $100K 2021 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0
MSRP for a 2 year old GTS seems about right. Many reporting MSRP on new allocations so if you're patient maybe not the best deal.
Old 01-27-2023, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TXshaggy
MSRP for a 2 year old GTS seems about right. Many reporting MSRP on new allocations so if you're patient maybe not the best deal.
Trying to be, have a deposit at the only Premier dealer in CT for better part of 2 years now & still waiting
Old 01-27-2023, 07:45 PM
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https://finder.porsche.com/ca/en-CA/...reowned-W78O5Q


Price raised on this guy (CAD). Not sure it’ll sell at this level but the dealer lowered their prices temporarily to get a few CPOs out and then raised them back.
Old 01-27-2023, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicworld
Trying to be, have a deposit at the only Premier dealer in CT for better part of 2 years now & still waiting
2 years? I’d be calling one of the other 200 dealers in the US…
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Old 01-27-2023, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TXshaggy
2 years? I’d be calling one of the other 200 dealers in the US…
You're right but probably too late for that now.
Old 01-27-2023, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicworld
You're right but probably too late for that now.
If you’re willing to foot a small fee sure the broker in the allocation thread can have you driving one this summer…
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Old 01-27-2023, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
While they won’t produce 20k units in year 1, Porsche will sell every Cayman EV and Macan EV they can make, assuming they are near the same price point of the current models.
We agree on the 20k units part. The subsequent question then becomes if they fall well short of that, are they going to delay the EV launch to a later MY, or make ICE alongside it, or just let the production/sale number slide in MY25? (They delivered 20.5k 718 in 2021 worldwide). My take is that the GT4 and Spyder will continue production for MY24 and quite possibly beyond.

I am not sure they will sell every 718 EV in its first MY unless its production number is really low. People were up in arms when they went from Flat6 to Flat4T despite latter's performance advantage. EV is an even greater departure from that. EV fans love EV commuters, like the Macan. Most sports car fans have not warmed up to EV sports cars yet. The GT car prices are so high because of FOMO. I don't get the sense many people are setting their money aside and/or making room in their garage to prepare for a 718 EV purchase.
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Originally Posted by RedCarrot
We agree on the 20k units part. The subsequent question then becomes if they fall well short of that, are they going to delay the EV launch to a later MY, or make ICE alongside it, or just let the production/sale number slide in MY25? (They delivered 20.5k 718 in 2021 worldwide). My take is that the GT4 and Spyder will continue production for MY24 and quite possibly beyond.

I am not sure they will sell every 718 EV in its first MY unless its production number is really low. People were up in arms when they went from Flat6 to Flat4T despite latter's performance advantage. EV is an even greater departure from that. EV fans love EV commuters, like the Macan. Most sports car fans have not warmed up to EV sports cars yet. The GT car prices are so high because of FOMO. I don't get the sense many people are setting their money aside and/or making room in their garage to prepare for a 718 EV purchase.
Well your take is wrong, but I'm not going to repeat the same thing that has been said 100 times over already.
Old 01-27-2023, 11:37 PM
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If any manufacturer can sell what they make Porsche is the one that will continue to do it.
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Originally Posted by JCZ5

Remember when AP said they needed to get their investment return on the 4.0? Based on sales numbers in the past, they probably still want to milk that engine ROI for awhile.
There is a rumor that the 992.2 is getting a 4.0 N/A motor.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar or the same as the 4.0 in the 718s.
Old 01-28-2023, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by daaa nope
There is a rumor that the 992.2 is getting a 4.0 N/A motor.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar or the same as the 4.0 in the 718s.
I also saw the same rumor, but there was some spy shots that captured the digital dash with a 6500rpm redline, and a boost gauge. Not sure if that was done on purpose by Porsche though to throw the dogs off the scent, as it is only a digital gauge.
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Originally Posted by daaa nope
There is a rumor that the 992.2 is getting a 4.0 N/A motor.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar or the same as the 4.0 in the 718s.
I've said it here and elsewhere, that engine seems like it would be great in a Carrera T as the sort of downmarket GT3 for those not able to afford or get a slot for the GT car.
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