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Old 06-20-2014, 05:54 AM
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There's the $24,500 car I missed out on by 2 hours. A small mark up. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-744359432.htm
Old 06-20-2014, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by John McM
There's the $24,500 car I missed out on by 2 hours. A small mark up. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-744359432.htm
John your 2 k search got sidetracked. Big time.
Old 06-20-2014, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by peterC2S
Re tyres, for the C2's (sorry John) there's also a 215/45 option in the 221s. Just over 5% rolling radius diff front to rear so not for the C4's.
Originally Posted by John McM
RSG 'star is a beater car' Macca John Dave Pete Sam Matt G At least four more needed - shouldn't be too hard - Doug, Paul, Walter, Chris M, Chris B, Steve?
I'm in. Hope there's a spot left.

I got out for a few hours and wow, everyone is in. I don't want to miss out on the fun!
Old 06-20-2014, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Hanna
I'm in. Hope there's a spot left. I got out for a few hours and wow, everyone is in. I don't want to miss out on the fun!
Doug, still room. We have enough to buy a car now. Just need to decide on the beast. Any additional member money can go to maintenance.
Old 06-20-2014, 06:31 AM
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I'd definitely be keen to be in on this 2K Cup car, although I probably shouldn't point this out being last in but there may be too many people to get any decent driving in?

I have been doing a fair bit of research towards entering my own car in this so can offer some advice.

1. Most of the competitive cars have spent at least another $2k on top of purchase price. Full fluid change, pads, tyres etc. Worth bearing in mind that a $2k car without any money spent on it will probably break something in about 10 laps.

2. If you want to win the 2L class you will need either a B18c Honda Integra or a 20 valve Levin (it's 1600 but has so much power it's bumped to the 2L class). They are the cars that put in much faster laps than anything else with MR2s, Currens and Celicas (the 3SGE powered cars) coming in 3rd. 1600 was much less competitive last season but could be more so this time around, any Gen 1 B16a powered car you can find for 2k will win that if driven well.

If you don't mind about coming first then you can get a bit more creative. I have been hunting for a manual E36 320i BMW for this. It's power to weight ratio is well down on the top cars but it's RWD and that's almost unique to the class apart from the MX5s which are too gutless and require a cage.

Speaking of cages, that MR2 linked would need one too due to being targa top so you need to find a hardtop one if you want to avoid that.
Old 06-20-2014, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 993 Targa
I'd definitely be keen to be in on this 2K Cup car, although I probably shouldn't point this out being last in but there may be too many people to get any decent driving in? I have been doing a fair bit of research towards entering my own car in this so can offer some advice. 1. Most of the competitive cars have spent at least another $2k on top of purchase price. Full fluid change, pads, tyres etc. Worth bearing in mind that a $2k car without any money spent on it will probably break something in about 10 laps. 2. If you want to win the 2L class you will need either a B18c Honda Integra or a 20 valve Levin (it's 1600 but has so much power it's bumped to the 2L class). They are the cars that put in much faster laps than anything else with MR2s, Currens and Celicas (the 3SGE powered cars) coming in 3rd. 1600 was much less competitive last season but could be more so this time around, any Gen 1 B16a powered car you can find for 2k will win that if driven well. If you don't mind about coming first then you can get a bit more creative. I have been hunting for a manual E36 320i BMW for this. It's power to weight ratio is well down on the top cars but it's RWD and that's almost unique to the class apart from the MX5s which are too gutless and require a cage. Speaking of cages, that MR2 linked would need one too due to being targa top so you need to find a hardtop one if you want to avoid that.
Great info.

I don't think the number of drivers will be a problem. I'm thinking a meritocracy where we all get to sort ourselves out in the pecking order and the two or three fastest drivers earn the right to race. The rest of us get to improve our driving at a very modest cost.
Old 06-20-2014, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by John McM
There's the $24,500 car I missed out on by 2 hours. A small mark up. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-744359432.htm
So this is the only way to get 964 and 993 values escalating in NZ is it?

Buy an average imported example with little history cheap on a public forum such as TM or Turners Auctions stolen & recovered. Then add 3 photos including one stolen from the web of a different car and ask 50% more for it (and clearly more than the local market has been prepared to pay). Better still market it on the same public forum you bought if from two weeks later.....!!!!!!

Everyone tis a amateur car dealer isnt it!?!*
Old 06-20-2014, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 993 Targa
I'd definitely be keen to be in on this 2K Cup car, although I probably shouldn't point this out being last in but there may be too many people to get any decent driving in?

I have been doing a fair bit of research towards entering my own car in this so can offer some advice.

1. Most of the competitive cars have spent at least another $2k on top of purchase price. Full fluid change, pads, tyres etc. Worth bearing in mind that a $2k car without any money spent on it will probably break something in about 10 laps.

2. If you want to win the 2L class you will need either a B18c Honda Integra or a 20 valve Levin (it's 1600 but has so much power it's bumped to the 2L class). They are the cars that put in much faster laps than anything else with MR2s, Currens and Celicas (the 3SGE powered cars) coming in 3rd. 1600 was much less competitive last season but could be more so this time around, any Gen 1 B16a powered car you can find for 2k will win that if driven well.

If you don't mind about coming first then you can get a bit more creative. I have been hunting for a manual E36 320i BMW for this. It's power to weight ratio is well down on the top cars but it's RWD and that's almost unique to the class apart from the MX5s which are too gutless and require a cage.

Speaking of cages, that MR2 linked would need one too due to being targa top so you need to find a hardtop one if you want to avoid that.
Man. You've done your homework and should be on the team. Chief Procurement Officer (CPO). Seriously though some great info here - save alot of time go straight for the right gear or we could have some fun try and find an E30 318 BMW to strip out ... but I suspect they arent easy to find these days..
Old 06-20-2014, 07:03 AM
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How do you know if it's the right engine http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-743075100.htm ?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-743993276.htm
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Originally Posted by John McM
How do you know if it's the right engine http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-743075100.htm ?
It will be a twin cam. That's a D series single cam motor.

Here's a Twin cam that could be raced in the Taxi Cup. Look for black cam cover with VTEC on it. Most aren't painted like this one.

https://touch.trademe.co.nz/motors/l...view/738960108
Old 06-20-2014, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by John McM
Doug, still room. We have enough to buy a car now. Just need to decide on the beast. Any additional member money can go to maintenance.
Count me in then too mate. Maybe we could enter "Stig Rennsport" in the 2k cup so we can keep swapping drivers...
Old 06-20-2014, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 996tnz
Count me in then too mate. Maybe we could enter "Stig Rennsport" in the 2k cup so we can keep swapping drivers...
There was a one hour race at the end of the last season. The two fastest RSG Stig's could drive in that. Might foster some friendly competition for the seats if they have one this season.
Old 06-20-2014, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by John McM
The easy spot with that shape Integra (DC2) is that most in the price range are the low spec 1600 motor (like that one). You want the 1800 and then you'll need engine pics to be sure it's the B18c. To be honest a good Vtec Integra of the DC2 shape is worth more than 2k so to find one it usually has to have some issues. Buying one with a dead clutch say for $2k and then fixing it is ok by the rules.

That Levin is the older shape AE101 which are a good model for the 1600 class, their engines are just on the power limit, however that specific one is a GTZ so supercharged and therefore not eligible.

I may be able to source a B18c Integra that raced a couple of time in the series so I can ask around. I think the plan first would be to pick the model everyone wants then find the right car. To me the decision is as follows:

Do you want to win?
Yes?
2L class?
B18c Integra or 20 Valve Levin

Yes but 1600 class:
Da6 b16a Integra or 16 valve Levin

I don't have to win, I want something fun:
RWD = BMW 320i, either E30 or E36 but E36 is easier to find and source parts or MX5 with cage
MR = MR2
FWD = Something French like a 306 GTI
Old 06-20-2014, 08:12 AM
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Rough Integra. Looks like it's got the right motor though.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=74...0&hbc=&ct=link
Old 06-20-2014, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 993 Targa
I see this is a normal Playday session date, not Prestige. If you do the RSG session are you still able to get Prestigio cover?
Missed this a few pages back sorry - yes RSG is the same as Prestige but we have dispensation to run up to 15 cars rather than 10 in Prestige. PM me if interested.

Originally Posted by mjg
Have you run them successfully? 5% is around the ABS threshold, so might be something to watch out for.
No but have run the 235/45 option on the 944 though the diff front to rear is only about 3.5% so probably still OK.


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