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10-07-2015, 05:59 PM
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From the outside looking in, my advice would be to test the water through taking anything on your wish list for a decent drive and seeing if it gives you the same feeling you get from the 964. If it doesn't, don't sell it. If it was me I'd be considering test driving John H's 997 Turbo. One of the last manual Turbo's, NZ new and would leave you a fair chunk of change if you moved the 964. But then I would say that 
10-07-2015, 06:34 PM
Hi Jason, living in Albany for 18 months, in Belmont regularly though, will pm you.
I can't track the 930 as the paint was getting smashed after two outings, it's a metallic paint, tried getting a correction done but it looks wrong.
For 964T money you've got so many options, 997, 997tt, 991 would put change in your pocket.
Or go another direction and look at a GT4, if possible to import?
I can't track the 930 as the paint was getting smashed after two outings, it's a metallic paint, tried getting a correction done but it looks wrong.
For 964T money you've got so many options, 997, 997tt, 991 would put change in your pocket.
Or go another direction and look at a GT4, if possible to import?
10-07-2015, 07:06 PM
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Sounds good Pel. Did you enjoy the 930 on the track?
I'm hearing a resounding "Take the money" but you don't know what's in the bag! The trouble with the other options is they don't make my nuts tighten; call me old fashioned. A quick squizz at TM and nothing lights me up (resisted checking the Aston, Lotus and Ferrari pages). I drove a 996 Turbo when I was looking at the 964, and obviously the later is a superior car and the power was thrilling, but it was just point and shoot. I like the look of the 997 Turbo but again, depreciation would counter any balance of sale within a couple of years, so what's the point?
What's the estimate on a 964RS or RSR replica from the Rasmussen stable? Maybe something like this...
I'm hearing a resounding "Take the money" but you don't know what's in the bag! The trouble with the other options is they don't make my nuts tighten; call me old fashioned. A quick squizz at TM and nothing lights me up (resisted checking the Aston, Lotus and Ferrari pages). I drove a 996 Turbo when I was looking at the 964, and obviously the later is a superior car and the power was thrilling, but it was just point and shoot. I like the look of the 997 Turbo but again, depreciation would counter any balance of sale within a couple of years, so what's the point?
What's the estimate on a 964RS or RSR replica from the Rasmussen stable? Maybe something like this...
10-07-2015, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NZ964C4
Sounds good Pel. Did you enjoy the 930 on the track?
I'm hearing a resounding "Take the money" but you don't know what's in the bag! The trouble with the other options is they don't make my nuts tighten; call me old fashioned. A quick squizz at TM and nothing lights me up (resisted checking the Aston, Lotus and Ferrari pages). I drove a 996 Turbo when I was looking at the 964, and obviously the later is a superior car and the power was thrilling, but it was just point and shoot. I like the look of the 997 Turbo but again, depreciation would counter any balance of sale within a couple of years, so what's the point?
What's the estimate on a 964RS or RSR replica from the Rasmussen stable? Maybe something like this...
I'm hearing a resounding "Take the money" but you don't know what's in the bag! The trouble with the other options is they don't make my nuts tighten; call me old fashioned. A quick squizz at TM and nothing lights me up (resisted checking the Aston, Lotus and Ferrari pages). I drove a 996 Turbo when I was looking at the 964, and obviously the later is a superior car and the power was thrilling, but it was just point and shoot. I like the look of the 997 Turbo but again, depreciation would counter any balance of sale within a couple of years, so what's the point?
What's the estimate on a 964RS or RSR replica from the Rasmussen stable? Maybe something like this...
Ultimately I went through this and decided I was so under water on the C4 that I would see it through to a light refurb as I could see myself driving it for years to come. The 964 quality reminds me of military gear. Built to last
The above said, don't get too far ahead of yourself. You need to find out where the real market is for your car. All you are seeing so far are advertised selling prices.
10-07-2015, 08:02 PM
Burning Brakes
10-07-2015, 08:50 PM
Pel - Congrats on the P-car addition to the family!
And Jake - sorry to hear that you came off second best to gravity!
10-07-2015, 08:55 PM
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From what I've seen, 996/7TT are at the bottom of their depreciation curve, with local pricing on them rising slightly in the last 6 months. You'll see value drop with kms but little more.
Emotion is much more important - if it doesn't capture your attention then I'd look at other options.
Emotion is much more important - if it doesn't capture your attention then I'd look at other options.
10-07-2015, 10:11 PM
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From the man who brought you "the 964 3.3T is currently the most under rated 964 currently available today and a better value/appreciation proposition than the 3.6T" three years ago, I believe your Maritime blue 964 3.3T ex Singapore car with RUF wheels and X88 engine upgrade (post sale but done in Zuffhausen with dyno and letter signed by Ralph Sprynger) given mileage, history/providence and condition would sell for around 120K in NZ today (assumes economy remains bouyant etc).
If you went through a dealer like CCS/Giltraps they could probably rattle up a 140K offer but then would want comms for doing so and this would likely offset.
That's just my opinion. Not a bad return on a car that you paid roughly 70K for 3.5 years back and have had some fun with on and off the track.
P.S. The market tolerance for a UK buyer would be around 44K GBP in your hand for this car today. The last good low mileage UK new 964 3.3T I know of changed hands for 58K GBP a few months ago and there arent many advertised but this one at 68K GBP asking from a dealer gives you an idea (assume changes hands around 64?). Working backwards with VAT, freight insurance dealer comms and allowing it to be priced competitively against UK new cars you are talking around 44K GBP in your hand (you cant claim the GST back on export unless you are operating a business in which case you will be taxed on the profit you made etc). Ive modeled this fro a retail of 68K selling at 64K and allowing dealer 10% margin. Im assuming the benefit of the X88 upgrade will trade equal against the Asia import status and non original wheels.
Working with a 0.445 FX (assumes wholesale margin+) that 99K NZD. Call it 100K NZD.
Ive probably been a little conservative with the numbers because there are hidden costs (like putting things right for UK compliance and also based on PPI finding etc).
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...d--wow/3708165
My advice with your car in the current market and assuming you decided to sell it would be 120K private, the export ceiling is set at 100K NZD which is why I think Max Fletchers priced example is the result of a crack smoking habit a view shared by others here in the know. He couldnt sell it for 140K last time as far as Im aware.
So what do you buy with 120K? Well the 997T of John Hs is definitely an option. Otherwise you could have a really nice 964 RS replica built for not much more than that. Maybe 125K if done properly with C2 donor and genuine RS uprights and suspension/brakes and a bit of engine fettling, guards LSD, Heigo half cage and a Ruby Red paint job :-). It would sound nicer than the Turbo (IMO) and put in 16s at HD so probably faster than the Turbo and it would feel much much more alive doing it....but then you have to want to sell as you say and finding the next car is part of the delima.
If you went through a dealer like CCS/Giltraps they could probably rattle up a 140K offer but then would want comms for doing so and this would likely offset.
That's just my opinion. Not a bad return on a car that you paid roughly 70K for 3.5 years back and have had some fun with on and off the track.
P.S. The market tolerance for a UK buyer would be around 44K GBP in your hand for this car today. The last good low mileage UK new 964 3.3T I know of changed hands for 58K GBP a few months ago and there arent many advertised but this one at 68K GBP asking from a dealer gives you an idea (assume changes hands around 64?). Working backwards with VAT, freight insurance dealer comms and allowing it to be priced competitively against UK new cars you are talking around 44K GBP in your hand (you cant claim the GST back on export unless you are operating a business in which case you will be taxed on the profit you made etc). Ive modeled this fro a retail of 68K selling at 64K and allowing dealer 10% margin. Im assuming the benefit of the X88 upgrade will trade equal against the Asia import status and non original wheels.
Working with a 0.445 FX (assumes wholesale margin+) that 99K NZD. Call it 100K NZD.
Ive probably been a little conservative with the numbers because there are hidden costs (like putting things right for UK compliance and also based on PPI finding etc).
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...d--wow/3708165
My advice with your car in the current market and assuming you decided to sell it would be 120K private, the export ceiling is set at 100K NZD which is why I think Max Fletchers priced example is the result of a crack smoking habit a view shared by others here in the know. He couldnt sell it for 140K last time as far as Im aware.
So what do you buy with 120K? Well the 997T of John Hs is definitely an option. Otherwise you could have a really nice 964 RS replica built for not much more than that. Maybe 125K if done properly with C2 donor and genuine RS uprights and suspension/brakes and a bit of engine fettling, guards LSD, Heigo half cage and a Ruby Red paint job :-). It would sound nicer than the Turbo (IMO) and put in 16s at HD so probably faster than the Turbo and it would feel much much more alive doing it....but then you have to want to sell as you say and finding the next car is part of the delima.
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