kiwi 911

There is no such thing as a 77 2.7 Carrera?

A 74-75 2.7 Carrera is gold dust and worth $300K due to sharing the 2.7 RS MFI engine.
A 76 2.7 Carrera is even rarer again (coz people whinged about the C3 CIS engine compared to MFI) and is worth telephone numbers.
A 77 Carrera 3.0 (if tidy and matching numbers) is a $50K+ car
A 77 2.7 911 (if tidy and matching numbers) is a $30K+ car

Pel

OK I'm guessing its just 77 2.7 911. Cheers Paul

kiwi 911

It's all to do with suspension and torsion bars in these old girls.

When I first started doing time trials - I struggled to do 1.28's on good road tires, and this is what most SC's and 3.2 Carrera's will circulate in on road tires and suspension not dialed in for the track.

The problem with these old girls is they are all running on worn suspension and bushes, and tired engines not running correct BHP. While on holiday in Aussie I went to see a guy who races historic C3 Porsche's and 2 beers and about $6k later had the 'secret source' of suspension parts to take the car instantly down to 1.23-1.24's. The other 4 seconds was found in a back dated exhaust and something called 214's or RE555's, and on a good day recorded times in the mid 19's, which made it as fast as Steve's 73 RS rep with a 3.2 engine or Pete's, John's and Doug's 964. In theory Doug's car should be good for a mid 17 to mid 18, but no one has given her sufficient beans yet??

A C3 is 75kg lighter than an SC, so you would need to put Chris M in the passengers seat to even things up (or add a second to the lap time).......

So long story short - an SC with $6K washed over the suspension and $5K over the exhaust is good for mid 20's on road tires and about 1.20 dead on track tires.

kiwi 911

With a mileage of 31K (is that the white coupe that was a Jap import).

The low mileage makes it worth north of $50K as it is a collectors car.

A 'run of the mill' 2.7 911 is $25-35k depending on originality.....??

kiwi 911

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-826630960.htm

^^^ This has got to be a cheapest sub 1.15 HD road registered car you can buy.

Given it's a 6.1 - there must be an angle here.

JMc - what was the story when you test drove it??

Pel

Cars owned by a Porsche nut I met on my brothers stag do. It sat in Germany for 3 months before being delivered here effectively as new, so the 31 odd miles have been covered here. I think he's a club member based in Waikato as he said he does the gymkhanas on grass in it.

John McM

It accelerated well, but the clutch meant its road manners were a dog and parts wise it's a bitser. Probably only good value if you can stand leaving it as is and thrashing it on the track until the big bills come in. It will never be a collector car and who knows how much it will cost to maintain? There's a reason it has been on the market so long. Has it sold now?

kiwi 911

What colour is it? - Green?

kiwi 911

No not sold - how was your weekend?

Garry D

Dave , I don't mind the idea of a project , but I like a car to be factory
plus I don't have your skills to build a hot rod .
I love what you are doing with the SC .

John McM

Last race was reverse grid. I set the new water temp gauge to alarm if it hit 100C and 5 or 6 laps in it hit it. No steam or anything, but with ~ 15 cars behind me there was no way I could button off so I brought it back in. A great weekend. Time shared with like minded people and a few race craft lessons learned. I think Walter enjoyed himself and Matt might be a convert to BB.

Pel

Red with a tea tray spoiler, gonna pay him a visit and check out. He's had it 10 years.

peterC2S

Good news - great you enjoyed it. The guys in the fast group were flying by the looks.

Look forward to hearing Walter's impressions - I'll guess he will have been on an adrenalin high?!

John McM

The fast guys were just that, FAST, it's unrealistic to expect to be at the bleeding edge but plenty of battles in the pack. I'll be back for more when it's my turn.

Next job is to get Herman ready to meet Lola again. I think I'm over Hondas for the next month or so.

Btw the Cayenne makes a great tow vehicle.

Macca

Great to hear the racing went well John + Walter.

The '69 with the GT3 Cup engine is Petes car, he's very well know on the 991 GT3 board and a very talented engineer. To the best of my knowledge that is the only conversion of its type on the planet. It require lengthening the chassis of an early short wheel base 911. I suspect to replicate the work work be 2-300,000 NZD. A real one off, and by all accounts a real handful to drive (not a dream handler by any stretch of the imagination!).

Great to see the board growing. Paul its painful to watch you shop for cars! We need to see your 993 back in the garage and being driven ASAP before something dire happens LOL!

Dave, great write up and synopsis on the 911 road to heaven as it stands today. Given the T will owe you 6 figures and more than the 993 back in 2007, do hope you can still feel you can give it the beans and get maximum enjoyment with it. The $$$ invested thing certainly seems to be a cornerstone of your (and others) enjoyment of these cars. As you know I've always been a huge proponent in the belief that the worse thing that can happen is these old cars go up like Auckland house prices as it really impinges on the ownership experience if you are a driver type not a bonnet polisher. Ive been concerned a while my 993 could go that way, but I dont think I really need to worry too much with the NZ market. Hence its in the Targa Tour again in May. Interestingly I find the new cars (GT3+GT4) much earlier mentally to get my head around using and enjoying on road and track because they are not irreplaceable, they are fully insured and they have warranties for 3-4 years that include the track!

Scotty (Johns neighbour) with the silver 993 contacted me the other day. Hes about to tidy up his 993 and wanted to get in touch with my US part suppliers. I got copied into a few emails and was shocked to find out that many of the interior components are now NLA. Thats starting to creep to some of the mechanical components too! Its getting a bit silly as you can imagine.

I really enjoy driving a car without the worry of its value. Once that starts to weigh on the mind the experience changes. It sounds like the SC is that car for you Dave. Id enjoy that experience as along as you can. One day the only way any of us will be getting that feeling is through an old 996 C2!