O2GO

^^^^ good onya mate :-D

Macca

PEL. I'm impressed. From C63 to '82 Turbo! I take it this isn't a daily driver.

The oldest turbo I ever drove was Jamies 3.3. That was in the rain on R compounds and was raw enough (but had air con which was useful for keeping the fog out). I couldn't live with it as a daily driver but it was a fun occasional car.

Pel

Only a driver for fine days, the C63 was going to be a daily.

kiwi 911

Have you driven the gunmetal car?

What's wrong with it to cost $40K? - that's a total repaint, interior tidy up and another $20K to totally rebuild the brakes, suspension and replace rubbers etc.

You must be looking for a concourse car??

RS ZWEI

I kinda wonder what the prices of 968 CS's would be if they were called 968 RS's?

Macca

Nik. It's a great point. For the answer look some way towards 968 RS turbo prices.

I think the great thing about the 968CS and 964 3.3 turbo is that they haven't been inflated by the "investor market" yet and offer 90% of the models that have for 40% of the price.

Not sure it will last forever though...

kiwi 911

Interesting question........

I think the answer is 'jack sh*t' (if not a 911)

R's in the 911 world are much rarer than RS's and Caymen R's have significantly depreciated in value, no more or less than the ubiquitous manual Gen II Caymen.

I was kinda quietly chuckling at people's views on the Boxster Spider being an investment car, and thinking - tell that to the poor turkey who paid $150K-ish 3 years ago to halve his money and get around $70-80K on a trade.......??

Though I would agree that the depreciation should slow from now on in.

Pel

Repaint, new fuchs & tyres, suspension, air con sorted. You're right 40k is heavy but stuff ad's up quickly, my 964 was pretty soild and put over 15k into that in a year.

kiwi 911

Macca - not sure if you are on face book (I guessing not as I have never seen you post) - but there are some nice pic's of your 993 at the moment.

Pel

Yes drove the gunmetal car about a week ago

kiwi 911

I can believe you, been there and done that on 2 cars now.............

Did you drive it?

RS ZWEI

I would love to know what the lap time difference is between a 993 C3 and a 968 CS.

Macca

The last 968 RS turbo I saw change hands was 330k usd. I suspect more like 550k now....

I never said the CaymanR was an investment only that the one on TM was priced well to the UK market and the depreciation had proven relatively modest to date.

nZ retail already puts you 30% higher than the other main markets before the car drives off the forecourt so you can't use it as a real yard stick.

The Spyder is a different situation. If you follow Porsche history they don't use the speedster shape on a regular generational basis. They made only 1883 Spyders and it's unlikely they will repeat in the 981 generation as most of the alloy improvements are already built into the platform and they will not revert Coilover in favour of PASM.

The Spyder new in 2011 was 46k Gbp base and is currently trading 38-42k GBP used 3 years old with pundits talking about it fetching it's original RRP within the next few years. They only produced it 12 months.

Lastly every 911 that I know of has depreciated for a long long time before it appreciated to over its original CPI adjusted retail price. I put in there 2.7rs which was below its sale price for 28 years as well as 964rs almost 20 years and 993rs approx 17 years.

The only 911 I know that is worth more than it's list price within 24 months of sale is a modern water cooled car the 4.0RS.

So when we talk of the Spyder being a good investment at 85k I believe it is as you can own it enjoy it put some real low cost and hassle mileage on it now and quite possibly over the next few years loose possibly very little or if exported to UK maybe loose nothing at all..

Kiwi Carguy

^^^ My thoughts exactly. Couldn't have said it better.

For years with Porsche I've used the saying "history repeats itself". It may take longer sometimes but any limited model of the sporty variety (i.e. not Cayenne etc) will be collectable. Some quicker than others depending are rarity (number produces or in some cases numbers written off) and spec/extremeness. This was evident with the 4.0RS which was due to be collectable before it even left the factory. Many doubted but few will own.

I don't know the depreciation and percentages but the Sports Classic is another interesting one.

Macca

Interesting question Nik. Paul was low 1.19s with a very well developed C3 and early 1.16s in a similarly developed 993 both on r comps in the dry.

I only know one 968CS that has lapped HD and although the driver was skilled it was his first and only time out there. Paul has over 2000 laps there so not totally fair comparison but he was 1.23s on pilot sport 2s.

My guess is a MO30 968 CS in fine fettle with upgraded shocks and bushes and someone like Paul driving would be good for late 1.17 or early 1.18 on r comps...