Notices

Motor Trend - C8 vs 911 comparison test

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-19-2019 | 12:08 AM
  #211  
brainf18's Avatar
brainf18
Intermediate
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 32
Likes: 21
From: Louisville KY
Default

Originally Posted by jkautz
Looking forward to seeing it along with the 911 in the Rolex 24 this January
Agree completely. The C8R / 911GT fight is setting up to be an epic battle. Bragging rights will be decided on the track...Not on the forums!
The following 2 users liked this post by brainf18:
jkautz (11-19-2019), Underblu (11-19-2019)
Old 11-19-2019 | 01:58 AM
  #212  
groundhog's Avatar
groundhog
Race Car
 
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 3,787
Likes: 1,045
Default

According to Motortrend the best drivers car was the 992 C2S

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...rs-car-winner/

Looks like the C8 is in appropriate company for the COTY fortunately I have never owned anything on that list.

2020 C8 /2019 Genesis G70/ 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia / Giulia Quadrifoglio / 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV / 2016 Chevrolet Camaro / 2015 Volkswagen Golf[14] /2014 Cadillac CTS /2013 Tesla Model S /2012 Volkswagen Passat /2011 Chevrolet Volt[15] /2010 Ford Fusion[16] /2009 Nissan GT-R /2008 Cadillac CTS /2007 Toyota Camry /2006 Honda Civic
Old 11-19-2019 | 10:48 AM
  #213  
Doug H's Avatar
Doug H
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,128
Likes: 906
From: Destin, Nashville, In a 458 Challenge
Default

Originally Posted by groundhog
According to Motortrend the best drivers car was the 992 C2S

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019...rs-car-winner/

Looks like the C8 is in appropriate company for the COTY fortunately I have never owned anything on that list.

2020 C8 /2019 Genesis G70/ 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia / Giulia Quadrifoglio / 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV / 2016 Chevrolet Camaro / 2015 Volkswagen Golf[14] /2014 Cadillac CTS /2013 Tesla Model S /2012 Volkswagen Passat /2011 Chevrolet Volt[15] /2010 Ford Fusion[16] /2009 Nissan GT-R /2008 Cadillac CTS /2007 Toyota Camry /2006 Honda Civic
Nice to see it getting recognition, but without a doubt their cars of the year are generally less than desirable.

I got to spend a lot of time with the Quadroglio on and off the track. Unfortunately, that car was just another example of FCA trash that typifies anything coming out of, controlled by or influenced by Detroit/American car companies.

RE: Take Notice Comment

Ferrari and other exotic car companies are not impacted by the C8. Completely different market. These guys might add a C8, but most won’t and it certainly won’t replace new exotics with a C8. Ferrari and exotics in general are so, so much more than just numbers on paper. They are like driving finely tuned works of art.

The following 2 users liked this post by Doug H:
G650 (11-21-2019), jkautz (11-19-2019)
Old 11-19-2019 | 10:18 PM
  #214  
phefner's Avatar
phefner
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,562
Likes: 713
From: Look up.
Default

Per Motor1.Com over 5,000 C7s sitting on dealer lots. Go get’em value buyers.

And watched the recent Jay Leno Garage on the C8. It’s interesting.

Old 11-19-2019 | 10:40 PM
  #215  
fast1's Avatar
fast1
Race Car
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,899
Likes: 222
Default

Originally Posted by phefner
Per Motor1.Com over 5,000 C7s sitting on dealer lots. Go get’em value buyers.
All the big dealers are currently offering $10 - $12K off on C7s, and if you are a current Corvette owner, you can increase that discount by another $3K. You can easily buy a 650 HP Z06 for mid $70Ks or for about the same price as a moderately equipped base 718 Boxster.
Old 11-20-2019 | 12:49 AM
  #216  
jkautz's Avatar
jkautz
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 799
Likes: 347
From: Northern CA
Default

Might just be me not understanding COTY accolades, but how does a car win an award when it hasn’t started production? lol

Last edited by jkautz; 11-20-2019 at 01:35 AM.
Old 11-20-2019 | 02:01 AM
  #217  
Sebvelez's Avatar
Sebvelez
Instructor
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 235
Likes: 138
From: Miami Beach, FL
Default

Originally Posted by jkautz
Might just be me not understanding COTY accolades, but how does a car win an award when it hasn’t started production? lol

LOL... spot on... also interesting the following statements in the COTY article which I completely agree with:

If the new Corvette has a weakness, it's the exterior design. The judges' opinions ranged from harsh (MacKenzie: "Bill Mitchell would be spinning in his grave. ") to damning with faint praise (Walton: "Fine from 100 feet. "). The main issue: As you get closer to the vehicle, you see tributaries of pointless lines going off in every direction. This sort of sloppy linework—folds and creases that exist for the sake of existence—first appeared on the previous generation. Did the Corvette design team want to link the two products, to maybe help convince current Corvette owners to trade up for the newer model? Perhaps. Whatever the reason, although the car's shape is good, the details are not. However, that just means that Chevy has a real opportunity in a few years with the midcycle refresh. As our guest judge and former Jaguardesign boss Ian Callum said, "Great car to drive. Shame about the styling."
I actually really like the look of the 992 (and every other 911 ever made). Love the looks of the 718s, new Astons, V8 Ferrari’s, R8s, NSX... heck I saw the Supra in the flesh and thought it looked great. For some reason I can’t get over the C8s looks and I’ve seen two of them up close. And I’ve always respected Corvettes.
Old 11-20-2019 | 09:27 AM
  #218  
Doug H's Avatar
Doug H
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,128
Likes: 906
From: Destin, Nashville, In a 458 Challenge
Default

Originally Posted by phefner
Per Motor1.Com over 5,000 C7s sitting on dealer lots. Go get’em value buyers.

And watched the recent Jay Leno Garage on the C8. It’s interesting.
That was actually a cool video, but Leno seemed less than enthusiastic about the car. Lol, he just kept diplomatically complaining about power being down due to governor. Dude, Leno is looking old as foook.

997 guys seem pretty down on C8, but they probably tend to be more purists.

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...-for-a-c8.html

The rear half of the C8 is awkward and clunky. Needs staggard or larger rear wheels and softer angles. Leno could barely muster any positive comment about the interior, except he liked the shape of the steering wheel. I dunno, it might be difficult for Leno to get hyped up about anything now, but he did act like a kid in the candy store in Singer’s 964 build.
Old 11-20-2019 | 11:07 AM
  #219  
phefner's Avatar
phefner
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,562
Likes: 713
From: Look up.
Default

@Doug H Spot-On with Leno. He also really liked the NSX when they featured it, up until I think he went to price one out. I really can't get past those C8 lines, it just doesn't do it for me.
Old 11-20-2019 | 12:29 PM
  #220  
AKSteve's Avatar
AKSteve
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 830
From: Anchorage, AK
Default

I saw Leno talking a while back about how he refuses to buy a Ferrari because of that whole thing where they want you to start off buying a used car before you can get a new one. I wonder if Ferrari can keep that up now that they're putting out new model updates every 2 years. I have a feeling prices on used Ferraris is about to go into the toilet.
Old 11-20-2019 | 12:43 PM
  #221  
Doug H's Avatar
Doug H
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,128
Likes: 906
From: Destin, Nashville, In a 458 Challenge
Default

Originally Posted by AKSteve
I saw Leno talking a while back about how he refuses to buy a Ferrari because of that whole thing where they want you to start off buying a used car before you can get a new one. I wonder if Ferrari can keep that up now that they're putting out new model updates every 2 years. I have a feeling prices on used Ferraris is about to go into the toilet.
Nah, they’ll hold. 355s which are a maintenance nightmare are still selling for what I sold my last 355 for in 2003.

Like it or not, it works for Ferrari. I got on their list simply by purchasing a used 360 CS from a dealership in 2005 and doing a service at a dealership.

Jay just irritated because he should be treated more special than the average Joe purchasing Ferraris.
Old 11-20-2019 | 10:44 PM
  #222  
Mike Murphy's Avatar
Mike Murphy
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 1,781
From: Chicago, IL
Default

Originally Posted by phefner
Per Motor1.Com over 5,000 C7s sitting on dealer lots. Go get’em value buyers.

And watched the recent Jay Leno Garage on the C8. It’s interesting.

https://youtu.be/nvTzcNtaSLU
It was long and very good.
Old 11-21-2019 | 04:47 AM
  #223  
K-A's Avatar
K-A
Drifting
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,452
Likes: 139
Default

The C8 looks uglier, cheaper and more "GM-y" every time I see it. That rear doesn't hold the specialness and exotic factor of a mid engine car, and the ridiculous obsession with luggage space and golf club/grocer getter usability will ensure it won't encroach on exotic cars. It's big and bloated, for one.

The overzealous and desperate lines and styling will age quickly and date the car prematurely.

I'd take one for a couple of years and have fun with it, but as always the 911 is the one I'll put a ring on.
Old 11-21-2019 | 09:17 AM
  #224  
fast1's Avatar
fast1
Race Car
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,899
Likes: 222
Default

Originally Posted by Doug H
That was actually a cool video, but Leno seemed less than enthusiastic about the car. Lol, he just kept diplomatically complaining about power being down due to governor. Dude, Leno is looking old as foook.

997 guys seem pretty down on C8, but they probably tend to be more purists.

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...-for-a-c8.html

The rear half of the C8 is awkward and clunky. Needs staggard or larger rear wheels and softer angles. Leno could barely muster any positive comment about the interior, except he liked the shape of the steering wheel. I dunno, it might be difficult for Leno to get hyped up about anything now, but he did act like a kid in the candy store in Singer’s 964 build.
I think there's the potential for FE/ME conflict in the Corvette world, just like there was, and still is to some extent, of the conflict between air cooled/water cooled advocates in the Porsche world.
The two things that impress me about the C8 are the performance and price. It's just hard to believe that a $60K car can do a 0-60 in under 3 secs and have a top speed of nearly 200 MPH. Of course price means nothing to Leno, since spending $200K on a car for him would like me spending around $2K. Can't wait to see what the Z06 version of this car will offer. As far as design is concerned, I saw a C8 in person and it looked great to me. I guarantee that it will turn heads when they start hitting the streets in 2020.

Bottom line is that I still prefer the 911, but their prices are getting into the obscene level. For example there are four Porsche dealers within 60 minutes of where I live, and they have a total of twelve 992Ss in their inventory priced from $140K - $145K. Chump change for Leno, but a lot of money for me.
Old 11-21-2019 | 12:52 PM
  #225  
ipse dixit's Avatar
ipse dixit
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 17,318
Likes: 12,258
Default

Originally Posted by fast1
I think there's the potential for FE/ME conflict in the Corvette world, just like there was, and still is to some extent, of the conflict between air cooled/water cooled advocates in the Porsche world.
The two things that impress me about the C8 are the performance and price. It's just hard to believe that a $60K car can do a 0-60 in under 3 secs and have a top speed of nearly 200 MPH. Of course price means nothing to Leno, since spending $200K on a car for him would like me spending around $2K. Can't wait to see what the Z06 version of this car will offer. As far as design is concerned, I saw a C8 in person and it looked great to me. I guarantee that it will turn heads when they start hitting the streets in 2020.

Bottom line is that I still prefer the 911, but their prices are getting into the obscene level. For example there are four Porsche dealers within 60 minutes of where I live, and they have a total of twelve 992Ss in their inventory priced from $140K - $145K. Chump change for Leno, but a lot of money for me.
Its pretty easy to make a car go fast in a straight line (see Hellcat) but to make a car go fast and turn and do all the other things well, like make it livable as a daily driver, have a compliant suspension for street driving, make it dependable, have a nice interior, etc. is not that easy.

In fact, it’s quite hard.
The following users liked this post:
TurboS_GG (11-27-2019)


Quick Reply: Motor Trend - C8 vs 911 comparison test



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:21 PM.