The Giant EV General Discussion Thread
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If the EV cayman is 4500lbs+ next year, then I will just wait for the future solid state battery version
though I do think that porsche has optimized range so much in the Taycan refresh, that they can make an EV cayman with a real world 200 mile range than is not a fat pig.
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My wife’s Stelvio weighs 4,000 lbs. 4,100 lb sports car? Laughable
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A Stelvio is attractive to look at. That is its only virtue. Performance, reliability, or retaining value are not. A Stelvio certainly doesn't perform as a well as a Porsche SUV...from an actual sport car company.
Regarding 4,100 weight and an EV sports car, here is an example of an early 4040lb Tesla Model 3 Performance beating a Ferrari around a racetrack (Tesla was even on regular not race tires)..so yes, 4,000lbs can be considered a sporty EV.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/t...ersion-review/
Regarding 4,100 weight and an EV sports car, here is an example of an early 4040lb Tesla Model 3 Performance beating a Ferrari around a racetrack (Tesla was even on regular not race tires)..so yes, 4,000lbs can be considered a sporty EV.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/t...ersion-review/
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dichael (02-05-2024)
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You’re kidding yourself about the Macan being a better performing SUV than a Stelvio. There are six Porsche SUV’s in my neighborhood driven by folks that wouldn’t know performance from a hole in the ground.
The Macan is tuned to not offend so it can sell to everyone. The Stelvio is lively and is a lifted Guila.
That Elon Musk can whip other manufacturers is no surprise to me. And look who is moving in to his territory. My bets on Musk.
The Macan is tuned to not offend so it can sell to everyone. The Stelvio is lively and is a lifted Guila.
That Elon Musk can whip other manufacturers is no surprise to me. And look who is moving in to his territory. My bets on Musk.
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Stelvia is a four popper.
No, thank you.
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The current Mini EV is ~3000 lbs.
Yes, it gets less than 200 EV range.
But bolt on some bigger batteries and another motor perhaps, and I still don't see it touching 3500, much less 4000, in a Cayman body.
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A cayman needs 3x the batteries a minicooper EV has and a more powerful motor. The cayman is supposed to be a performance sports car not a putt putt fwd city commuter. The cooper EV weights 3150lbs too btw with a 30kw battery too so not exactly a featherweight considering it's stripped down performance figures.
Another 30kw is about 500lbs, but we're only at base model 3 levels with that capacity, and still need to add more juice and a more powerful motor, plus all the cooling systems likely needed to make it actually function somewhat decently as a sports car, unless they're going to skip all that and let it go into limp mode after 5 minutes on the track and have not enough range to leave the city for a spirited drive.
Another 30kw is about 500lbs, but we're only at base model 3 levels with that capacity, and still need to add more juice and a more powerful motor, plus all the cooling systems likely needed to make it actually function somewhat decently as a sports car, unless they're going to skip all that and let it go into limp mode after 5 minutes on the track and have not enough range to leave the city for a spirited drive.
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If it's an EV, and especially if it's supposed to be a "performance" EV, unless or until Solid State Batteries are used in the design stage of a platform . . . . . the weight thing will be a tough one, but not impossible to deal with. Also, to some extent, this fixation on weight, has a lot to do with one's current expectations as much as anything else. Right now, a high performance car that weighs in at 3,208 lbs. (Cayman GT4) or 3,354 lbs (992S) is "accepted" as what must be. But compared to a 1966 911S at 2,365 lbs. at our current weight, we're already positively porkers! Yet,somehow, the performance, the safety, the comfort, the drive-train and the durability are now so much better. I've no reason to expect that this will sort itself out. Watching the EV show proceed between all the manufacturers is auto industry entertainment at its best. I hope the EV Cayman doesn't disappoint.
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I'd rather see a lighter single motor mid power car with better range to see how light, but still fast enough, and fun Porsche could make an EV.
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I think those are the old pictures that still have the fake exhaust on there. The new ones (although somewhat covered in snow), don't show the same plug. The article also mentions the new pictures have the plug removed.
As an aside, it certainly looks modern Porsche. With what we can see now, at the moment it looks like a mashup between the 718 Boxster, the new Taycan, and the 992.2.
As an aside, it certainly looks modern Porsche. With what we can see now, at the moment it looks like a mashup between the 718 Boxster, the new Taycan, and the 992.2.
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Lots of people are going to be disappointed when we see the final version, it wont look anything like the renders of the car which have been going around. It'll look like a Boxster with the new Macan's headlights and the new 911's front bumper grills. Those extreme renders kicking around look amazing, this will look like a refreshed 718. Which is all it is I supposed.
I'll get a test drive in one but I wont buy one as its not for me, I'm glad it exists though. The stop sale on EU Boxsters/Caymans means the residual value of my car will be very high so I'll use that to upgrade into a Spyder or an older GT3 instead.
I'll get a test drive in one but I wont buy one as its not for me, I'm glad it exists though. The stop sale on EU Boxsters/Caymans means the residual value of my car will be very high so I'll use that to upgrade into a Spyder or an older GT3 instead.
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I think those are the old pictures that still have the fake exhaust on there. The new ones (although somewhat covered in snow), don't show the same plug. The article also mentions the new pictures have the plug removed.
As an aside, it certainly looks modern Porsche. With what we can see now, at the moment it looks like a mashup between the 718 Boxster, the new Taycan, and the 992.2.
As an aside, it certainly looks modern Porsche. With what we can see now, at the moment it looks like a mashup between the 718 Boxster, the new Taycan, and the 992.2.
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Butt Plug confirmed. And it's only appropriate for a once great vehicle, now turned EV...
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Mike981S (02-12-2024)
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