Originally Posted by Drifting

I agree with zhaos comments. None of this day trip stuff that ipsi is talking about is remotely realistic for SoCal....in this century

golf year round and many good restaurants, I cede those points to ipse, however……I lived in Westside LA for 3 years before moving to the Rockies. What you just described was LA before this century. LA would have been amazing in the 60s, 70s, 80s, However, none of what you said is true for LA in the 21st century.

Other than the tourist bureaus, no one talks about snorkeling and skiing on the same days because that is IMPOSSIBLE. Snow skiing, snorkeling, and dune buggy in one day? Will never happen with the modern traffic of Socal! Maybe on a foreign planet where the day is 30hrs long...... Exactly where is your skiing/snowboarding that is less than 2hrs away? If we are talking about a real ski resort such as Mammoth, that is a 5 hour drive one way. Big bear is the only other SoCal ares that can still be considered a ski resort but is still 3 hrs each way on winter weekends. You can't do a "day" skiing trip when you are already down 6 hours of travel. None of the other places are worth skiing at all.

A day trip to San Diego? No one does a day trip to San Diego, because with traffic it is a 3hr drive each way from the Westside and even further from the Valley, unless you're driving at night. A "day trip" to Mexico is even more laughable.

SoCal was great before-----1 the population exploded and 2 it became a deep blue failed liberal state.

The CA state government is the worst in the entire country and no I don't feel like paying a huge amount of taxes each year just for them to waste it. I now save over a 100K each year in taxes by NOT living in CA. And the deep blue government of CA is the worst in the country, providing next to no services for their citizens despite the huge tax burden. I think I can spend my money better than LA county which currently pays 98 lifeguards over 200K/year! I also don't feel it appropriate to take money from me to pay for the healthcare of illegal aliens who want a sex change. There are endless examples of insane government waste in CA. And that is before we start discussing the useless liberal overregulation that drives companies from California and dramatically increases the cost of everything.

Clearly the tax money is going anywhere but schools, or highways, as both are terrible all across the state. And because the CA governments are a bunch of liberal weenies, the end result is that homeless and squatters have more rights than decent citizen with a job. Kids aren’t safe walking around most parts of LA, gangs rob stores in broad daylight and homeless people leave $hit and needles all over public places. My girlfriend worked in Santa Monica and she could not have lunch outside her office on ocean ave and wilshire, a fancy zip code right next to multi million dollar buildings, because homeless were everywhere, they wouldn't leave decent people in peace, and the liberal local government did nothing.

Only a very small percentage can afford to buy a house in CA (if they didn't inherit one). A house is out of reach for 85% of people in SoCal and the Bay area. https://ktla.com/news/california/onl...ew-data-shows/

The most apt example of the mentality of people in southern California and bay area, is the classic case of a frog jumping straight out of a pot of boiling water, but if you put the frog in the pot of cool water and slowly but consistently turn up the temperature, the frog doesn’t realize how much progressively worse his situation is and so dies in the pot.

Originally Posted by Drifting

I agree with zhaos comments. None of this day trip stuff that ipsi is talking about is remotely realistic for SoCal....in this century

golf year round and many good restaurants, I cede those points to ipse, however……I lived in Westside LA for 3 years before moving to the Rockies. What you just described was LA before this century. LA would have been amazing in the 60s, 70s, 80s, However, none of what you said is true for LA in the 21st century.

Other than the tourist bureaus, no one talks about snorkeling and skiing on the same days because that is IMPOSSIBLE. Snow skiing, snorkeling, and dune buggy in one day? Will never happen with the modern traffic of Socal! Maybe on a foreign planet where the day is 30hrs long...... Exactly where is your skiing/snowboarding that is less than 2hrs away? If we are talking about a real ski resort such as Mammoth, that is a 5 hour drive one way. Big bear is the only other SoCal area that can still be considered a ski resort but is still 3 hrs each way on winter weekends. You can't do a "day" skiing trip when you are already down 6 hours of travel. None of the other places are worth skiing at all.

A day trip to San Diego? No one does a day trip to San Diego, because with traffic it is a 3hr drive each way from the Westside and even further from the Valley, unless you're driving at night. A "day trip" to Mexico is even more laughable.

SoCal was great before-----1 the population exploded and 2 it became a deep blue failed liberal state.

The CA state government is the worst in the entire country and no I don't feel like paying a huge amount of taxes each year just for them to waste it. I now save over a 100K each year in taxes by NOT living in CA. And the deep blue government of CA is the worst in the country, providing next to no services for their citizens despite the huge tax burden. I think I can spend my money better than LA county which currently pays 98 lifeguards over 200K/year! I also don't feel it appropriate to take money from me to pay for the healthcare of illegal aliens who want a sex change. There are endless examples of insane government waste in CA. And that is before we start discussing the useless liberal overregulation that drives companies from California and dramatically increases the cost of everything.

Clearly the tax money is going anywhere but schools, or highways, as both are terrible all across the state. And because the CA governments are a bunch of liberal weenies, the end result is that homeless and squatters have more rights than decent citizen with a job. Kids aren’t safe walking around most parts of LA, gangs rob stores in broad daylight and homeless people leave $hit and needles all over public places. My girlfriend worked in Santa Monica and she could not have lunch outside her office on ocean ave and wilshire, a fancy zip code right next to multi million dollar buildings, because homeless were everywhere, they wouldn't leave decent people in peace, and the liberal local government did nothing.

Only a very small percentage can afford to buy a house in CA (if they didn't inherit one). A house is out of reach for 85% of people in SoCal and the Bay area. https://ktla.com/news/california/onl...ew-data-shows/

The most apt example of the mentality of people in southern California and bay area, is the classic case of a frog jumping straight out of a pot of boiling water, but if you put the frog in the pot of cool water and slowly but consistently turn up the temperature, the frog doesn’t realize how much progressively worse his situation is and so dies in the pot.

California was great 60 years ago, not so much today.

Originally Posted by Mike818

wow this turned into Fox News pretty fast.

Originally Posted by SoCal-NSX

not all of SoCal is the cesspool of LA that you describe though...I grew up in OC and now live in wine country(Temecula) and lucky enough to not have to deal with the things people living in and around LA have to deal with(traffic and homelessness) I am 30 miles from the beach and two hours from Big Bear and Palm Springs and not ever going to try to surf and snowboard on the same day, that is insane, but not impossible .

agree about the taxes and idiot governor though....Some day will most likely leave this beautiful state due to those things unfortunately

Originally Posted by Drifting

I know that free speech is something that socialists just can't stand because their politics are indefensible in an open debate.
They would prefer to live in their echo chamber where everything is repeated back to them line by line, so they can't be triggered by independent thought and ideas which are not part of "the mantra".

Originally Posted by Drifting

I know that free speech is something that socialists just can't stand because their politics are indefensible in an open debate.
They would prefer to live in their echo chamber where everything is repeated back to them line by line, so they can't be triggered by independent thought and ideas which are not part of "the mantra".

Originally Posted by TXshaggy

The predictable evolution of any RL thread involving EV — all eventually bottom out with politics and California.

Can we get back to the 718 EV discussion?

There are plenty of threads in OT for the rest of this stuff.

Originally Posted by MXA121

According to this unsourced commenter, the 718 EV will not share the Macan's PPE platform, but a new one specific to the car with weight in the right place.