The Giant EV General Discussion Thread
01-21-2024, 05:24 PM
#691
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01-21-2024, 06:00 PM
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For ICE cars, mid engine is clearly the best.
For EVs, would ME dynamics really be better than the skateboard EV dynamics?
Seems there is an even lower center of gravity with a skateboard battery and perfectly balanced distribution of weight at all 4 corners.
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01-21-2024, 06:21 PM
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you and I are both lovers of mid engine ICE cars/Spyders and their dynamics.
For ICE cars, mid engine is clearly the best.
For EVs, would ME dynamics really be better than the skateboard EV dynamics?
Seems there is an even lower center of gravity with a skateboard battery and perfectly balanced distribution of weight at all 4 corners.
For ICE cars, mid engine is clearly the best.
For EVs, would ME dynamics really be better than the skateboard EV dynamics?
Seems there is an even lower center of gravity with a skateboard battery and perfectly balanced distribution of weight at all 4 corners.
01-21-2024, 07:58 PM
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01-21-2024, 08:20 PM
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The biggest annoyance I find with my EV from a performance aspect is significant acceleration degradation below 40%. It seems partially software controlled as it accelerates okish from a stop, but has smart car performance at highway speeds, but acceleration as a whole is definitely affected. I noticed this with electric go-karts as well as if you want to set a fast lap with those you either need to show up when it's not busy or need one that has been charging by itself for awhile not being cycled constantly.
Even if by some chance these things get the range and charging capacity to do track events, and are unbanned from the tracks they're banned at, I see endless frustration with only being fast when the power range is in the 60-80% range (or greater but realistically you aren't showing up to the track with 100%, or charging up to 100% at the track).
I find it pretty annoying even in my DD knowing if I do a trip, i'm not going to be able to trust I have power to pass sub 50% charge. I also see inconsistent power as a danger to other people assuming they have acceleration they dont at the moment.
Even if by some chance these things get the range and charging capacity to do track events, and are unbanned from the tracks they're banned at, I see endless frustration with only being fast when the power range is in the 60-80% range (or greater but realistically you aren't showing up to the track with 100%, or charging up to 100% at the track).
I find it pretty annoying even in my DD knowing if I do a trip, i'm not going to be able to trust I have power to pass sub 50% charge. I also see inconsistent power as a danger to other people assuming they have acceleration they dont at the moment.
Because if you do so and then need to drive a significant distance, you might be fine with actual range to get home but then you don’t have as much trust in the ability of your EV to overtake quickly when necessary on a highway.
I charge my battery to 90% (at home) even when I only expect to drive 90-100 miles that day, for this reason.
I stick with 60% on days I know I’ll only be running errands around town.
01-22-2024, 01:44 PM
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The way I understand it, the OEM's use their own battery management algorithms and have built in headroom at the top and bottom of the packs capacity. What you see as 100% and 0% aren't necessarily the state of charge at the cell level and it's best to just charge up the car and not worry about micro managing SoC.
or don't, do what makes you happy. It probably doesn't matter much because solid state is coming.
I think VAG has a test mule in the field testing Quantumscape's right now. Anyone know if/how the results could effect the 718?
It also looks like Lambo is licensing new MIT cells that could half the weight for a given range and discharge/charge at twice the speed.
or don't, do what makes you happy. It probably doesn't matter much because solid state is coming.
I think VAG has a test mule in the field testing Quantumscape's right now. Anyone know if/how the results could effect the 718?
It also looks like Lambo is licensing new MIT cells that could half the weight for a given range and discharge/charge at twice the speed.
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01-23-2024, 01:29 AM
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The way I understand it, the OEM's use their own battery management algorithms and have built in headroom at the top and bottom of the packs capacity. What you see as 100% and 0% aren't necessarily the state of charge at the cell level and it's best to just charge up the car and not worry about micro managing SoC.
or don't, do what makes you happy. It probably doesn't matter much because solid state is coming.
I think VAG has a test mule in the field testing Quantumscape's right now. Anyone know if/how the results could effect the 718?
It also looks like Lambo is licensing new MIT cells that could half the weight for a given range and discharge/charge at twice the speed.
or don't, do what makes you happy. It probably doesn't matter much because solid state is coming.
I think VAG has a test mule in the field testing Quantumscape's right now. Anyone know if/how the results could effect the 718?
It also looks like Lambo is licensing new MIT cells that could half the weight for a given range and discharge/charge at twice the speed.
However, you’re incorrect regarding the most popular brand of EV, Tesla.
Tesla use a higher percentage of the EV battery pack than any other company. They do this so they can brag and sell on range and also so they profit from slightly fewer batteries in each EV, because a higher percentage of the total pack is used by Tesla compared to other companies.
Not charging a Tesla past 80% unless you’re going on a long trip is strongly recommended by Tesla and with good reason.
If you regularly charge a Tesla 95%+,
It will definitely hasten battery degradation and range loss.
Numerous articles on this.
Also a personal anecdote. Two of my friends all purchased a Model 3 around the same time I got my model 3 performance. We all lived in Westside LA and none of had a home charger. I was **** and careful about not max charging. My friends were not.
Over 3 years, both of their model 3s lost double the amount range that mine did.
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01-23-2024, 11:28 AM
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Thanks for the correction, and of course Tesla......
Wouldn't surprise me at all if it was all just more gaslighting with the software* to cover up the fraud they commit on their customers.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates...tteries-range/
*We didn't screw you, you charged the thingy wrong.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if it was all just more gaslighting with the software* to cover up the fraud they commit on their customers.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates...tteries-range/
*We didn't screw you, you charged the thingy wrong.
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01-23-2024, 12:39 PM
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No reservations, no problems.
The 718 EV is not a GT car. It's not known to the public that it even exists. The Macan EV just started teasing marketing material and it will come first. I don't suspect people line up to buy normal series cars (718 base, 911 base, panamera base) so I wouldn't expect anyone to have $ down on a brand new unproven concept car that is still under wraps. The closest thing to it is the Tesla Roadster. It is funny to read the hardcore motoring bros use the lack of a "list" to quickly call the 718 EV a failure.
I am willing to make a friendly bet that the 718 EV will reach higher sales than the current 718, model for model.
Just need to check this post again on 2-3 years...
The 718 EV is not a GT car. It's not known to the public that it even exists. The Macan EV just started teasing marketing material and it will come first. I don't suspect people line up to buy normal series cars (718 base, 911 base, panamera base) so I wouldn't expect anyone to have $ down on a brand new unproven concept car that is still under wraps. The closest thing to it is the Tesla Roadster. It is funny to read the hardcore motoring bros use the lack of a "list" to quickly call the 718 EV a failure.
I am willing to make a friendly bet that the 718 EV will reach higher sales than the current 718, model for model.
Just need to check this post again on 2-3 years...
01-23-2024, 01:16 PM
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It all depends on how they price it. If the rumors about $100K+ pricing for the Macan EV come to pass, it will rot on the lot. Same for the 718s.
With EVs you don't get a faster car by spending more money, and that's a big problem for companies like Porsche.
With EVs you don't get a faster car by spending more money, and that's a big problem for companies like Porsche.
01-23-2024, 01:31 PM
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No reservations, no problems.
The 718 EV is not a GT car. It's not known to the public that it even exists. The Macan EV just started teasing marketing material and it will come first. I don't suspect people line up to buy normal series cars (718 base, 911 base, panamera base) so I wouldn't expect anyone to have $ down on a brand new unproven concept car that is still under wraps. The closest thing to it is the Tesla Roadster. It is funny to read the hardcore motoring bros use the lack of a "list" to quickly call the 718 EV a failure.
I am willing to make a friendly bet that the 718 EV will reach higher sales than the current 718, model for model.
Just need to check this post again on 2-3 years...
The 718 EV is not a GT car. It's not known to the public that it even exists. The Macan EV just started teasing marketing material and it will come first. I don't suspect people line up to buy normal series cars (718 base, 911 base, panamera base) so I wouldn't expect anyone to have $ down on a brand new unproven concept car that is still under wraps. The closest thing to it is the Tesla Roadster. It is funny to read the hardcore motoring bros use the lack of a "list" to quickly call the 718 EV a failure.
I am willing to make a friendly bet that the 718 EV will reach higher sales than the current 718, model for model.
Just need to check this post again on 2-3 years...
https://www.mg.co.uk/new-cars/mg-cyberster
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01-23-2024, 01:57 PM
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It should be materially cheaper than a Taycan, which starts around $90k. And you absolutely pay for speed with EVs. Just look at the Taycan lineup. The Model 3 Performance, while a brilliant car for $50k, is not the same buyer imo. It's just the gateway drug. Do Cayman buyers worry themselves over BMW sedans which are faster? Nah.
01-23-2024, 05:19 PM
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They will when their Cayman weighs as much as the BMW sedan. 
01-23-2024, 11:01 PM
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No reservations, no problems.
The 718 EV is not a GT car. It's not known to the public that it even exists. The Macan EV just started teasing marketing material and it will come first. I don't suspect people line up to buy normal series cars (718 base, 911 base, panamera base) so I wouldn't expect anyone to have $ down on a brand new unproven concept car that is still under wraps. The closest thing to it is the Tesla Roadster. It is funny to read the hardcore motoring bros use the lack of a "list" to quickly call the 718 EV a failure.
I am willing to make a friendly bet that the 718 EV will reach higher sales than the current 718, model for model.
Just need to check this post again on 2-3 years...
The 718 EV is not a GT car. It's not known to the public that it even exists. The Macan EV just started teasing marketing material and it will come first. I don't suspect people line up to buy normal series cars (718 base, 911 base, panamera base) so I wouldn't expect anyone to have $ down on a brand new unproven concept car that is still under wraps. The closest thing to it is the Tesla Roadster. It is funny to read the hardcore motoring bros use the lack of a "list" to quickly call the 718 EV a failure.
I am willing to make a friendly bet that the 718 EV will reach higher sales than the current 718, model for model.
Just need to check this post again on 2-3 years...
Can't see many people lining up to buy a base model 718 EV for GTS 4.0 pricing that is pretty much completely useless outside of driving to and from cars and coffee meets.
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01-24-2024, 05:27 AM
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I’m guessing their marketing dept has a pretty good idea of what will & won’t work wrt price. Part of me is thinking there has to be some other (publicly unknown) desirable aspect that can overcome higher cost… if in fact a higher price is actually true. Better range? Lighter weight? Nurburgring record slayer? Idk… but if not, then I think @Zhao is probably correct.