Schn3ll

Based on the Macan EV pricing, I think the marketing department has their heads up their asses. I specced one for giggles, and it was over $140k, for a Macan, an Electric Macan....

981KMAN

Back to the 718 EV....... More insight on Instagram;

tonie90

Right now for a base 718 you are going to be looking down the barrel of 90-100K. Anything like an S lets say, will set you back 105 to start. So all in after a few options you at no less than 100-105K on a base car and 115-120 on an S.
The average porsche new car buyer adds roughly 15K in options as reference.

MXA121

Yeah the Macan EV pricing does not bode well.

MXA121

Considering the 911 weighs up to 3,800 lbs these days (sedan weight!) I'm not sure that analogy applies. Even the new M2 is around 3800 lbs yet Harris says it's the best M2 yet. Regardless, we agree the 718 EV won't be light.

dichael

Yeah, now that the price numbers and other figures have come out, I’ll be surprised to see big US sales. The whole thing is kind of a let down tbh. Not sure about Europe & China sales potential…

imo, given the current state of battery tech, it just doesn’t make any sense to buy. My wife doesn’t want to have anything to do with EV’s, but is down with hybrids. I’m less opposed and could see leasing one near term.

tonie90

yeah the porsche pricing today is going to continue to go way upmarket. 120K lightly optioned for a macan turbo and a lightly optioned macan 4 is somewhere near 100K. But what do you know dealers are charging 10K Adm for this thing already.

Drifting

porsche is targeting a weight of 3650 lbs for the cayman EV. That’s likely the base single motor model. If they can keep the weight under 4,000 lbs for the dual motor Turbo 718 EV model, then that will be some car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...ayman-boxster/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...ayman-boxster/

The Taycan is well north of 5,000 lbs by comparison.

MXA121

Thanks for the links. I agree, sub 4k lbs is a must here.

ipse dixit

What if it was sub 4k but north of 120k MSRP?

Zhao

3650lbs doesn't seem obtainable. They struggle to get ICE 718s to 3100ish pounds, batteries weigh north of 1000lbs, and electric motors weight vs stuff they can omit is maybe 250-300lbs. Plus that added weight from batteries likely translates into added structural material to compensate for that extra weight. Porsche probably isn't going to reinvent how they build cars and skimp on structure, cabin noise, fit/finish/interior quality, or options, and the car is going to be bigger so it is unlikely they're going to have any weight savings there. They're already pushing almost full aluminum too.

OldJedi

I have to agree with the others above, I am not sure how well the 718 EV will do here in the states. The Macan base started out at $80,000+ and it really didn’t take much to get it over 100K with just a few options. I know that Porsche wanted to keep the Macan light but it is still 1000 pounds heavier. The 718 EV will be using the same PPE platform as the Macan so I can’t see it not being at least 4000 pounds. I know that I am very happy that I have a Cayman GTS and a Boxster 25 and based on what we know about the 718 EV right now, I really don’t see me swapping either of them for an electric version. Maybe Porsche will prove me wrong but I don’t think so.

Drifting

to ipsi. I'd definitely pay a lot more if Porsche can create a lighter EV.

to Zhao, this is a post I made elsewhere on RL about weight and range and someone was saying that an EV must be very heavy to have good range, and I disagreed.
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Its more complicated than that. In real world testing, the $43,000 Telsa Model 3 dual motor, equaled or beat the range of Taycans that cost triple the money and those same Taycan EVs weigh 1,100 pounds more than those same Tesla model 3 dual motor cars.

https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791...-test-results/

Porsche packs a lot of additional stuff into the frame and elsewhere in the Taycan, which increases the weight. As a result, the Taycan doesn't have much more space inside the car than a model 3 despite the Taycan being a foot longer and 2 inches wider than the model 3. The Taycan has 10 more cubic feet in the cabin but 5 less cubic feet in the trunk compared to the Model 3, so overall a similar amount of interior space between the two cars, if the rear seats are laid flat.

There are ways to make electric cars lighter. While we all wait for major breakthroughs in solid state batteries which will take many years, Porsche (as a sports car company) might want to start prioritizing weight reduction of their EVs.

Currently, Teslas far outclass Porsche EVs in weight and in power to weight ratio, while of course the Porsche EVs have a superior suspension and superior fit/finish.
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In summary, I hope the reported target weight is correct for the 718 EV and that Porsche will make low weight a priority for 718 EV. If so, I'd definitely consider getting one.
If the Cayman EV becomes a bloated heavy whale like all the other Porsche EVs so far, then I'll keep my M3P.

911usmc

I’m curious where you get your figures from. I just ordered a Cayman S with nearly $15k in options and it totaled for $97550.

TXshaggy

I think he’s spitballing EV numbers