Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
12-21-2017, 04:52 PM
#5026
If your mother can feel a difference in “oomph,” I’m sure it’s there and won’t doubt her one bit. I think we all can agree that if we wanted to look into the comparison of before and after, it wasn’t for the better. Plain and simple.
Has anyone verified the new Maroney and the old window sticker (I have mine) that states the torque and horsepower figures and at what RPM’s?
As for the numbers provided to us regarding dyno readings from the man that travails Tundra, it’s interesting to see an average of 17% loss. I’m still thinking the sniffer and O2 testing power numbers are off a bit due to the way the cheat was calibrated.
For those that have followed, it looks like an appeal/claim of sorts will be made against VW for not wanting to pay for those registered and approved prior to the emission release and after the opportunity to VIN check at dealership.
12-21-2017, 05:51 PM
#5027
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Just to add another data point, just picked up a 2016 untitled CD. I think it drives great! Plenty of torque and cannot tell a difference from prior test drives. Having never owned one before I may be missing subtle differences but quite happy with my new car warranty and 20% off MSRP on a car Porsche will never make again.
12-21-2017, 06:04 PM
#5028
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Congrats on your 2016 CD and 20% off MSRP is better than most taking 15% off MSRP on untitled and unpunched 2016 CD. How many miles did it have upon purchase?
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Just to add another data point, just picked up a 2016 untitled CD. I think it drives great! Plenty of torque and cannot tell a difference from prior test drives. Having never owned one before I may be missing subtle differences but quite happy with my new car warranty and 20% off MSRP on a car Porsche will never make again.
12-21-2017, 06:38 PM
#5029
Update:
Vehicle has been back at the dealer SIX separate times now. Area field technician drove it and "couldn't replicate". And yet, when I drive it, it's quite easy to replicate.
I am now creating a "highlights" compilation video with my dashcam, everytime it stutters, you can hear the engine clatter, then cut out/stutter, then kick back in.
Have noted, it does seem to stutter more frequently when the temperature is slightly above freezing. IE; 35-45F. When the temp is under 32F, it still clatters, but doesn't stutter. That, at least, has been the one commonality.
2nd note : Field technician drove the car on a colder day... in the 20s.
Once again, for all those keeping score: 2013 Cayenne Diesel ~53k miles... ~1200 miles on it since the fix; And the stuttering only began after the diesel fix.
Vehicle has been back at the dealer SIX separate times now. Area field technician drove it and "couldn't replicate". And yet, when I drive it, it's quite easy to replicate.
I am now creating a "highlights" compilation video with my dashcam, everytime it stutters, you can hear the engine clatter, then cut out/stutter, then kick back in.
Have noted, it does seem to stutter more frequently when the temperature is slightly above freezing. IE; 35-45F. When the temp is under 32F, it still clatters, but doesn't stutter. That, at least, has been the one commonality.
2nd note : Field technician drove the car on a colder day... in the 20s.
Once again, for all those keeping score: 2013 Cayenne Diesel ~53k miles... ~1200 miles on it since the fix; And the stuttering only began after the diesel fix.
12-21-2017, 08:27 PM
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Just to add another data point, just picked up a 2016 untitled CD. I think it drives great! Plenty of torque and cannot tell a difference from prior test drives. Having never owned one before I may be missing subtle differences but quite happy with my new car warranty and 20% off MSRP on a car Porsche will never make again.
12-21-2017, 10:22 PM
#5031
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Just to add another data point, just picked up a 2016 untitled CD. I think it drives great! Plenty of torque and cannot tell a difference from prior test drives. Having never owned one before I may be missing subtle differences but quite happy with my new car warranty and 20% off MSRP on a car Porsche will never make again.
also may want to look into getting a tuning box to boost up hp/tq
12-21-2017, 10:51 PM
#5032
Lots of talk here on what folks 'think' their Cayenne is doing post fix. Actual dyno numbers pre and post 'fix' are the only way to really see what changed.
Still not convinced the 'fix' is for us. Where we drive, low end torque is essential.
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12-22-2017, 12:52 AM
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And you can't get an un-tweaked, unpunched (new) 2016 CD. Dealers aren't allowed to sell them; they must be fixed before they are allowed to be sold.
Well, I suppose you could go outside the US and bring one back... but I suspect you'd have to get it fixed (at the bare minimum) to import one.
12-22-2017, 03:12 AM
#5034
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Update:
Vehicle has been back at the dealer SIX separate times now. Area field technician drove it and "couldn't replicate". And yet, when I drive it, it's quite easy to replicate.
I am now creating a "highlights" compilation video with my dashcam, everytime it stutters, you can hear the engine clatter, then cut out/stutter, then kick back in.
Have noted, it does seem to stutter more frequently when the temperature is slightly above freezing. IE; 35-45F. When the temp is under 32F, it still clatters, but doesn't stutter. That, at least, has been the one commonality.
2nd note : Field technician drove the car on a colder day... in the 20s.
Once again, for all those keeping score: 2013 Cayenne Diesel ~53k miles... ~1200 miles on it since the fix; And the stuttering only began after the diesel fix.
Vehicle has been back at the dealer SIX separate times now. Area field technician drove it and "couldn't replicate". And yet, when I drive it, it's quite easy to replicate.
I am now creating a "highlights" compilation video with my dashcam, everytime it stutters, you can hear the engine clatter, then cut out/stutter, then kick back in.
Have noted, it does seem to stutter more frequently when the temperature is slightly above freezing. IE; 35-45F. When the temp is under 32F, it still clatters, but doesn't stutter. That, at least, has been the one commonality.
2nd note : Field technician drove the car on a colder day... in the 20s.
Once again, for all those keeping score: 2013 Cayenne Diesel ~53k miles... ~1200 miles on it since the fix; And the stuttering only began after the diesel fix.
As a side, I can’t tell you how many dealers called asking if I wanted a stop sale Cayenne. The dealers who have said they have a long list of potential customers is nothing more than” fluff.” It’s akin to $225k ADM on a $165-170k GT3 at a local dealer.
12-22-2017, 03:24 AM
#5035
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My understanding of untitled and unpunched 2016 CD is that US dealers still have to provide the fix per court settlement before they can be sold, which is less intrusive than what have to be done on 2015 or older CD. These 2016 CD untitled and unpunched (never used as demos) are the ones that are typically being sold by dealers at 15% to 20% off MSRP. Some have less than 100 miles on the odometer, practically 2016 brand new.
Drive safe,
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Drive safe,
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They're not neutered, fortunately. Slightly tweaked, but far, far from neutered.
And you can't get an un-tweaked, unpunched (new) 2016 CD. Dealers aren't allowed to sell them; they must be fixed before they are allowed to be sold.
Well, I suppose you could go outside the US and bring one back... but I suspect you'd have to get it fixed (at the bare minimum) to import one.
And you can't get an un-tweaked, unpunched (new) 2016 CD. Dealers aren't allowed to sell them; they must be fixed before they are allowed to be sold.
Well, I suppose you could go outside the US and bring one back... but I suspect you'd have to get it fixed (at the bare minimum) to import one.
12-22-2017, 08:45 AM
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After speaking with class council this morning about a few things, it was brought up that there is a significant contingent not happy with the fix. His words, not mine. He went so far as to say that possible further meditation or a far less plausible buy back might be in order, but ideas nonetheless were brought up. For those happy, I congratulate you in settling for that fix short or long term. As noted prior, these are the last Diesels to be made for sometime. I’m in it for the long haul and cannot justify a fix no matter the payment. I’d suggest calling your appointed attorney and letting them know what’s going on. If not, speak directly to the firm out in San Francisco to get the ball rolling.
As a side, I can’t tell you how many dealers called asking if I wanted a stop sale Cayenne. The dealers who have said they have a long list of potential customers is nothing more than” fluff.” It’s akin to $225k ADM on a $165-170k GT3 at a local dealer.
As a side, I can’t tell you how many dealers called asking if I wanted a stop sale Cayenne. The dealers who have said they have a long list of potential customers is nothing more than” fluff.” It’s akin to $225k ADM on a $165-170k GT3 at a local dealer.
Drove my 2014 with the fix for 600 miles. I've posted my findings which were similar to others.I sold mine back to my dealer today with 28080 miles. It was putting it lightly in exception condition. The sales manager was very impressed. Brand new DWS tires, floor mats never used, paint polished, always garaged and smells new, and I filled it up for them. It will be interesting to see what they list it for.
I was going to buy a 2009 Cayenne GTS while there that came from another dealer but my dealer was doing the PPI. They said it needed new air shocks so that killed the deal. So i'm without Cayenne for a little bit. Have a couple more to look at including rennlist'ers. I'm looking for a well kept older one.
I was going to buy a 2009 Cayenne GTS while there that came from another dealer but my dealer was doing the PPI. They said it needed new air shocks so that killed the deal. So i'm without Cayenne for a little bit. Have a couple more to look at including rennlist'ers. I'm looking for a well kept older one.
12-22-2017, 12:57 PM
#5037
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Not sure I would agree with "most everyone". I've seen a couple of posts reporting issues, but most report no significant changes on their '14s; me included.
12-22-2017, 01:10 PM
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Agreed about Hoffman's service...Ethan and his crew are great to work with. My '16CD goes to them next month for the fix
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12-22-2017, 06:30 PM
#5040
Update:
Vehicle has been back at the dealer SIX separate times now. Area field technician drove it and "couldn't replicate". And yet, when I drive it, it's quite easy to replicate.
I am now creating a "highlights" compilation video with my dashcam, everytime it stutters, you can hear the engine clatter, then cut out/stutter, then kick back in.
Have noted, it does seem to stutter more frequently when the temperature is slightly above freezing. IE; 35-45F. When the temp is under 32F, it still clatters, but doesn't stutter. That, at least, has been the one commonality.
2nd note : Field technician drove the car on a colder day... in the 20s.
Once again, for all those keeping score: 2013 Cayenne Diesel ~53k miles... ~1200 miles on it since the fix; And the stuttering only began after the diesel fix.
Vehicle has been back at the dealer SIX separate times now. Area field technician drove it and "couldn't replicate". And yet, when I drive it, it's quite easy to replicate.
I am now creating a "highlights" compilation video with my dashcam, everytime it stutters, you can hear the engine clatter, then cut out/stutter, then kick back in.
Have noted, it does seem to stutter more frequently when the temperature is slightly above freezing. IE; 35-45F. When the temp is under 32F, it still clatters, but doesn't stutter. That, at least, has been the one commonality.
2nd note : Field technician drove the car on a colder day... in the 20s.
Once again, for all those keeping score: 2013 Cayenne Diesel ~53k miles... ~1200 miles on it since the fix; And the stuttering only began after the diesel fix.