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Old 05-14-2020, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Rambler_13
Disagree with what, that Range 1 on a 997RS occurs at 9k? To paraphrase Doug from his informative video on DMEs, you can track the **** out of these and still have zeroes in all ranges. Wouldn't bother me much if all checked out ok, just saying that all zeroes does not mean it was babied.

I've bounced a rev limiter and hit a range 1 on a .1 tested and proved

His video seems to be a long chat about simple math
Old 05-14-2020, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by audipwr1
I've bounced a rev limiter and hit a range 1 on a .1 tested and proved

His video seems to be a long chat about simple math
Even still, you can have one that bounced off the limiter and not register any ranges which was one of the points in the video. If some like yours hit 9k (or at least register as hitting 9k) when hitting the limiter, not sure why that would occur if the limiter is supposed to kick in at 8400 (outside of a tune). But I take your word for it.
Old 05-14-2020, 12:03 PM
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All I can tell you as having owned multiple 997 GT cars is the range thing and range 1 especially isn't perfectly the same on each car and that a swift spanking without mechanical over revs can leave you with range 1s

I can also tell you it's possible to flush the over rev numbers so if I were amongst the many hopeful owners / internet hopefuls on this thread 0 overevs would worry me more than a few
Old 05-14-2020, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hf1
The argument wasn't that 8 Range 1 ignitions mean something, but that Range1 is placed so high above the rev limit on 997 gt cars, that you could be pinging the rev limit for all the miles driven and still report a clean DME with zero-over revs. So a clean DME doesn't automatically imply that the car has been babied or hasn't been tracked. In contrast, Range1 on 996 GT3 counts all rev-limit pings.
That's fair; I guess the take away is that a "clean" rev report might eliminate outright abuse but isn't useful evidence of a pristine example on GT cars. I'd be curious about what else is; in this case the DME also shows lowish average speeds (32 mph if I'm counting on my fingers correctly) and no evidence of helmet rub or abnormal wear in the cabin, but I'm far from an expert.
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^^^ IMO, none of this really matters. Potential buyers will find fault in EVERY vehicle as a means to low-ball ^^^

Too few miles, garage queen w/dried up seals = not good

too many miles - not good, almost dead

track upgrades = no good, track rat

so on, and so on
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Old 05-14-2020, 03:25 PM
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What I don't understand is why Porsche decided to use this method of logging in the first place. Or rather why they haven't updated it.

Couldn't they simply add a Road Speed Indicator, Time Stamp field and/or a mileage stamp field for any of these over rev events so that people aren't sitting here trying to guess what happened to the car?

With any of the Overrev events they could also probably give a full window readout of what was happening +/- 10 seconds from the event. A graph of wheel speeds along with engine revs tells me what gear the car was in, what was happening during the over rev.

Just .02 from an analyst, but perhaps they think this would hurt Porsche resale values...
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Old 05-14-2020, 04:23 PM
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https://www.lamborghinidallas.com/us...63048171f0.htm

Anyone know of this car?
Old 05-14-2020, 04:23 PM
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Old 05-14-2020, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pats911
That's fair; I guess the take away is that a "clean" rev report might eliminate outright abuse but isn't useful evidence of a pristine example on GT cars. I'd be curious about what else is; in this case the DME also shows lowish average speeds (32 mph if I'm counting on my fingers correctly) and no evidence of helmet rub or abnormal wear in the cabin, but I'm far from an expert.
Any decent indy Porsche shop should be able to tell you how much track use, abuse, or deferred maintenance a car has had or whether miles, avg speed, DME, and condition match the seller's story about the car's use. Many signs to look for underneath if you know what you're doing. Never even think of buying a GT car without a thorough PPI from a reputable shop.


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Old 05-14-2020, 06:31 PM
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I guess a compliment that went bad on a relatively clean DME! Perhaps good to see the other side, car could have sat at 8399 (or maybe even 8999) RPMs in first gear for all 16k miles and would register a ‘clean’ DME and average speed around 35mph. Not sure doing that would be more healthy for a motor than the occasional Ranges1-6.
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Old 05-14-2020, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hf1
Interesting how classic.com is valuing (CMV) 7.1gt3 at $83k and falling, while 6gt3 at $75k and rising.
7.1rs and 7.2rs at $142k and $146k respectively and both falling.

I wouldn't put RS at 2x 6gt3 in my book. Maybe 1.5x, if that.
Well the RS is 2X better looking!
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Old 05-14-2020, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by yoojeankim
They know how to make a car look SWEET!
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Old 05-17-2020, 09:38 AM
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997.2 RS for sale on BAT. 45k miles. Also found a previous for sale posting. WP0AC2A91BS783082

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...911-gt3-rs-12/

https://www.primaryexotics.com/listi...-911-gt3-rs-2/
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Old 05-17-2020, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by hf1
Interesting how classic.com is valuing (CMV) 7.1gt3 at $83k and falling, while 6gt3 at $75k and rising.
7.1rs and 7.2rs at $142k and $146k respectively and both falling.

I wouldn't put RS at 2x 6gt3 in my book. Maybe 1.5x, if that.
Have never seen this website - just looked at it and it is cool that they aggregate data from the different auction sites. I guess I would like to see the selling prices of the cars that are at dealers or private sellers. While this is possible in some states, it is not possible in all states, for instance Ohio and Florida both have the ability to enter a VIN and get the actual selling price of the car. I don't really feel like going through 900 997.1 GT3 vins though and seeing how many sold within the last 6 months in either Ohio or Florida and then trying to come up with a price. 996 GT3 would be even more difficult as there are less of them and less good ones being sold I am guessing. Anyone with a good one like you I am guessing is holding onto it.
Old 05-17-2020, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bxstr
Always wondered how does one judge the paint condition on a car wrapped like this? Assuming the seller will not remove the wrap just so a potential buyer could inspect it. Interesting to see how a high mile, modded, driver car like this fares.
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