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Old 06-08-2021 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Putt-Putt
Got my first 996 before ever seeing one on the road, ordered in 1998, Arctic Silver Black interior, not full leather. Wonder if it was a 97 build? Sold it 2 years later, dumb. First one delivered at Jack Daniels Porsche Fairfield NJ. Later got a 997 launch vehicle, sold a 2003 NSX to get it. Another 'dumb'. I like the 993 but test drove one and a 992 before getting the 99 you see on may avatar. Over the years I've posted pics of the 996 on Rennlist asking why people don's see the truth about these cars - 'crickets'. Glad to see it happening, finally.
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Old 06-08-2021 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
The Boxster wasn’t even manufactured in the same country as the 911.

Not knocking the Boxster, but the two cars are utterly different. Different mission. Different execution. Radically different price point.

You must realize the “996 saved Porsche” was a false narrative propagated by terminated Porsche CEO Weiderking’s million dollar defense during his 12-year criminal trial for corporate fraud. Conde Naste Publishing was its (family connected) mouthpiece, and Conde Naste owns Road & Track Magazine.

Porsche was never “broke” in the first place. That was the (criminal) lie that enabled Weiderking’s tragically failed hostile takeover attempt of VAG. Everyone believed it at the time, right down to the poor guys installing the (sabotaged) IMSB on the assembly line.

Connect the dots: 996 “hate” wasn’t ignorance; it was sabotage, and it was a strategic lie.
I'm sincerely not being antagonistic when I ask if you have any sources? I'd love to read more in detail.
Old 06-08-2021 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
The Boxster wasn’t even manufactured in the same country as the 911.

Not knocking the Boxster, but the two cars are utterly different. Different mission. Different execution. Radically different price point.

You must realize the “996 saved Porsche” was a false narrative propagated by terminated Porsche CEO Weiderking’s million dollar defense during his 12-year criminal trial for corporate fraud. Conde Naste Publishing was its (family connected) mouthpiece, and Conde Naste owns Road & Track Magazine.

Porsche was never “broke” in the first place. That was the (criminal) lie that enabled Weiderking’s tragically failed hostile takeover attempt of VAG. Everyone believed it at the time, right down to the poor guys installing the (sabotaged) IMSB on the assembly line.

Connect the dots: 996 “hate” wasn’t ignorance; it was sabotage, and it was a strategic lie.

But what I want to know is how do the LeMans winning headlights fit into this story? 😁

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Old 06-08-2021 | 04:33 PM
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Talking Battle of the Metallic Reds .1 vs .2

Any guesses as to which one will reach the highest amount? Both are on BAT right now. Both are beautiful in their own right, but I feel it comes down to which headlights do you prefer?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-52/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-52/






Old 06-08-2021 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GC996
But what I want to know is how do the LeMans winning headlights fit into this story? 😁
🤑🤑🤑, right?

Has to justify selling the 993 for the 996 somehow! Now even LSD isn't a desirable option on a 996.

(all in good fun, @bdronsick )

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Old 06-08-2021 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronjb_ME
🤑🤑🤑, right?

Has to justify selling the 993 for the 996 somehow! Now even LSD isn't a desirable option on a 996.

(all in good fun, @bdronsick )
Absolutely!
Old 06-08-2021 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TRLBRAKER
Any guesses as to which one will reach the highest amount? Both are on BAT right now. Both are beautiful in their own right, but I feel it comes down to which headlights do you prefer?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-52/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-52/
It's not just headlights, there are some other significant differences between the Mk1 and Mk2 996. Please see a summary list here, and a link to the magazine article for a review of the Mk2 when it came out.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post15173972
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Old 06-08-2021 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TRLBRAKER
Any guesses as to which one will reach the highest amount? Both are on BAT right now. Both are beautiful in their own right, but I feel it comes down to which headlights do you prefer?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-52/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-52/
The 2003 has a spotty maintenance record at best and the oil hasn't been changed in 4 years! My money is on the '99.
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Old 06-08-2021 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 911Syncro
It's not just headlights, there are some other significant differences between the Mk1 and Mk2 996. Please see a summary list here, and a link to the magazine article for a review of the Mk2 when it came out.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post15173972
I was more referring to the different versions of metallic reds and purely from aesthetic pov. I concede that my assertions should have been more encompassing of the differences. That said, the linked info requires an update. For example, I didn't see anything that indicated which engine is more susceptible in terms of bore scoring?
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M96/97 susceptibility to bore scoring:

3.4 < 3.6 < 3.8



Originally Posted by TRLBRAKER
I was more referring to the different versions of metallic reds and purely from aesthetic pov. I concede that my assertions should have been more encompassing of the differences. That said, the linked info requires an update. For example, I didn't see anything that indicated which engine is more susceptible in terms of bore scoring?
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Old 06-08-2021 | 05:14 PM
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993 was the only 911 in my life I truly disliked. And the only one that ever left me stranded. These incidences may be related.


Originally Posted by aaronjb_ME
Has to justify selling the 993 for the 996
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Old 06-08-2021 | 05:19 PM
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Google the fifteen year saga. Don’t bother with Wikipedia or any source controlled by Conde Naste: all lies & hype. The twelve year long criminal trial transcripts are online too, if you search hard enough. Great (endless weeks of) reading.


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I'm sincerely not being antagonistic when I ask if you have any sources? I'd love to read more in detail.
Old 06-08-2021 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bdronsick
M96/97 susceptibility to bore scoring:

3.4 < 3.6 < 3.8
Uh oh. I sent my 3.6 away and it came back as a 3.8...did my chances of bore scoring go UP?!
Old 06-08-2021 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TRLBRAKER
Any guesses as to which one will reach the highest amount? Both are on BAT right now. Both are beautiful in their own right, but I feel it comes down to which headlights do you prefer?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-52/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-52/
The '99 all day. Not sure why someone wouldn't change the oil over that many years in the 2003. It's literally a 30 minute job and you don't even need to put the car on jack stands. Seems silly.

Originally Posted by Emefef
Uh oh. I sent my 3.6 away and it came back as a 3.8...did my chances of bore scoring go UP?!
Duh! You should have gone down from a 3.6 to 3.4...., do you know nothing?!?!?!
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Old 06-08-2021 | 05:50 PM
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The 996 GT1 Evo mono housing racing lights won LeMans. Nothing else really matters at this point. 🤑


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But what I want to know is how do the LeMans winning headlights fit into this story? 😁


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