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Seems to be softening a tad with the high inventory and winter coming soon. I would imagine in the cold/snowy parts of the USA, there is less demand for these cars. They (C2's) are not DD in the winter and who wants to buy one just to put it away.
Oh well that is another matter altogether. No one could have predicted Singer's monomaniacal monopolization of 964. And no one can predict such an alternate-universe reality for any other generation either.
I agree with you conceptually, but you are mixing "maintenance required" and "reliability" under the single umbrella of "reliability". They are not the same thing at all. There are plenty of cars that require a lot of maintenance, but they are still not very reliable no matter how carefully you maintain them -- most "specialty" cars in fact (Maserati, Alfa, Range Rover, Jaguar, etc). If you have owned one of those brands, depending on the model, then you probably know what unreliable means.
The Maserati we had was mostly reliable in that it started almost all the time -- but sometimes, randomly, it wouldn't start, then it would 10 minutes later for no reason. The F1 transmission relay went out twice, and then you are stuck wherever you happen to be (happened to my wife at a busy 4-way intersection during rush hour, she was NOT happy), the FM radio inexplicably works fine sometimes, other times it doesn't tune any stations. Random warning lights come on. Literally 99.5% of the time the car was fine, but you couldn't trust it. Same with the Jaguar, tons of warning lights and messages, only stranded us once, but you couldn't trust it. Porsche is not like that -- when it's well maintained -- you can drive it with the same confidence you have in a Honda, and everything in it works all the time.
Porsche requires more maintenance and more knowledge to maintain it properly, but they are very reliable when you do that., If you want a brainless "Honda like" maintenance experience, no specialty car (e.g. Porsche, Aston, Jaguar, Alfa, etc) is going to provide that -- but Porsche will be reliable when the others still will not be, despite all that maintenance.
Good post here Peter. Have had my 2000 911 C2 since March (53K Miles). The only "unreliable" moment it gave me was after I installed the battery tender recently and when I hooked the battery back up, I could no longer lower the driver's door window with the "one-touch" of the button - I had to hold the switch down for the duration of the drop. Oh how cruel!!! Well - the next day it worked just fine. Porsche - heal thyself.
Speaking of reliable, my daily driver from '95 - 2006 was an '82 911SC Targa: commuting, drove the kids in the back seats. Bought it with 155K miles and then the engine blew at 295K miles. It was the bottom of the market, so I sold it as a roller. But talk about reliable, this one was the most reliable car I've ever owned (pretty sure I changed the oil a couple of times).. And honestly my 996 has never let me down after 4.5 years. With oil changes and other maintenance there is no reason our 996s can't do that same thing.
Here is the last view of the car I really liked. The guy who bought it with the blown engine decided to drive it home anyway with one or more cylinders missing and blowing oil.
Speaking of reliable, my daily driver from '95 - 2006 was an '82 911SC Targa: commuting, drove the kids in the back seats. Bought it with 155K miles and then the engine blew at 295K miles. It was the bottom of the market, so I sold it as a roller. But talk about reliable, this one was the most reliable car I've ever owned (pretty sure I changed the oil a couple of times).. And honestly my 996 has never let me down after 4.5 years. With oil changes and other maintenance there is no reason our 996s can't do that same thing.
Here is the last view of the car I really liked. The guy who bought it with the blown engine decided to drive it home anyway with one or more cylinders missing and blowing oil
Yeah, I mentioned the 3.0 SC specifically in my prior comment because 300k miles was (literally) the norm on the SC. They were a beast of reliability and didn't require any special maintenance.
Even with the 996, once you get it right -- very little maintenance is required. My first 996 was CPO when they were new, so it had all dealer maintenance. My second is dual row IMS, with IMS changed shortly before I bought it, and it had been very well maintained with all records, so in the 5 or so years I've owned it, maintenance has been nothing but oil changes. It's never had a single issue and everything works perfectly and is amazing to drive. I don't really get investments like proactive coil pack replacement -- I think it's very possible to overdue it. If there is any hint of a problem, it's important to be all over it to make sure it doesn't turn into something serious -- but even on the 996, maintenance can be "honda like" once you have the car sorted. It's definitely best to assume/budget that much more investment may be required to get it into honda-like maintenance mode.
Yeah, I mentioned the 3.0 SC specifically in my prior comment because 300k miles was (literally) the norm on the SC. They were a beast of reliability and didn't require any special maintenance.
Even with the 996, once you get it right -- very little maintenance is required. My first 996 was CPO when they were new, so it had all dealer maintenance. My second is dual row IMS, with IMS changed shortly before I bought it, and it had been very well maintained with all records, so in the 5 or so years I've owned it, maintenance has been nothing but oil changes. It's never had a single issue and everything works perfectly and is amazing to drive. I don't really get investments like proactive coil pack replacement -- I think it's very possible to overdue it. If there is any hint of a problem, it's important to be all over it to make sure it doesn't turn into something serious -- but even on the 996, maintenance can be "honda like" once you have the car sorted. It's definitely best to assume/budget that much more investment may be required to get it into honda-like maintenance mode.
those were my most reliable cars. That Mercedes turbo diesel never ever let me stranded, worst maintenance that had to be done, replace two glow plugs. Sold basically gave the car away to my father in law with a bit over 1 million miles. They had it for almost 5 years daily driving it, Speedo was broken. Anyway in 2017 they traded it in for a Toyota Corolla that my brother in law still has and they gave them $1500 for the car. I personally drove my baby blue 735il 1985 for over 250,000 miles. At 400,000 miles the transmission blew up. Not bad $1150 new one. I did a few valve adjustments on that car but that was an awesome cruiser. Super comfortable seats with 21 adjustments a bunch of real wood in the dash and factory telephone. A boat on the highway at 70 mph. Every time I got out of the beemer suit and tie, look like something out of the Italian mafia, I was never call out on it but I had 5 percent tint all around.
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I posted that a couple pages back. It was on BaT and didn't make reserve.
an 07 Carrera s with fab speed intake, headers, exhaust, hr springs and konis sold for $38 this week at pcar. Here is this one in Oklahoma City. In my opinion In the future these s are going to be worth a lot more money aka 993 s. If you haven’t driven one you should, if you get a hold of a 997.2 Carrera s that’s the car to have. These s are gorgeous plus they pack the punch. My issues with 996 4s is that they don’t have any extra performance.
It’s so hard not to test the waters with my 996 after seeing some of the cars that sold. The market as a whole is crazy, the trade in on my 2015 VW Touareg TDI Lux is around $26k - $30k now… I paid 31k for it 3yrs ago.
I think there is a growing body of evidence that the 3.8 was fatally underbuilt. I just don’t personally see a collectible future for cars with this motor.
Originally Posted by 3/98 911 coupe
an 07 Carrera s with fab speed intake, headers, exhaust, hr springs and konis sold for $38 this week at pcar. Here is this one in Oklahoma City. In my opinion In the future these s are going to be worth a lot more money aka 993 s. If you haven’t driven one you should, if you get a hold of a 997.2 Carrera s that’s the car to have. These s are gorgeous plus they pack the punch. My issues with 996 4s is that they don’t have any extra performance.
10-22-2021, 03:07 PM
