992.2 Info
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 954
Likes: 963
From: ATL
You brag because you paid a 100k ADM. I brag because I paid MSRP. We are not the same.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 954
Likes: 963
From: ATL
It's a big coincidence as I've gone from a 2022
GTS to a 2024 T and I think T feels much more agile and responsive! If you're all with specs and numbers, yeah you should go with the S or GTS or whatever.
The 992.2 S will come with the 48v motor, if you like it or not.
GTS to a 2024 T and I think T feels much more agile and responsive! If you're all with specs and numbers, yeah you should go with the S or GTS or whatever.
The 992.2 S will come with the 48v motor, if you like it or not.
Last edited by zachr; May 22, 2024 at 09:02 PM.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 3,688
Likes: 2,670
From: NoVA
Anyway, keeping up with what??? All the rumors or do you have some official source that there is an 'e-turbo to compensate for lag on the S'? Exactly. You don't. So please stop with the 'keeping up'. Sheesh.
Until it's all official, no one really knows.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 3,688
Likes: 2,670
From: NoVA
It's a big coincidence as I've gone from a 2022
GTS to a 2024 T and I think T feels much more agile and responsive! If you're all with specs and numbers, yeah you should go with the S or GTS or whatever.
The 992.2 S will come with the 48v motor, if you like it or not.
GTS to a 2024 T and I think T feels much more agile and responsive! If you're all with specs and numbers, yeah you should go with the S or GTS or whatever.
The 992.2 S will come with the 48v motor, if you like it or not.
And I don't think I gave an opinion on the 48V, but glad you are responding to something that I didn't say.
Instructor
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 178
Likes: 169
I had an S... absolutely 3.8
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 954
Likes: 963
From: ATL
Turbo lag isn't S-specific, it affects every car with a turbocharger.
And, like...of course they're doing this to improve turbo lag, dude. Why else would they do it? It's not like e-turbos are going to improve fuel economy, nor help the car make more power at the top end. The press releases from Borg Warner make a point of explaining that peak boost is achieved 50% sooner or something like that. By the seat of my pants, I'd guess it's going from about a second down to half a second.
This also aligns with the oldest rumors from Car & Driver, that there would be a "T-HEV" model. Turbo hybrid. Obviously C&D had the implementation completely wrong (shocker), but this rumor seems pretty well substantiated at this point. But sure, we'll see next week
edit: to be clear, they're only not doing this on the Base because of money. It's not because the standard Carrera has much less turbo lag or anything like that. It would benefit similarly from this treatment.
And, like...of course they're doing this to improve turbo lag, dude. Why else would they do it? It's not like e-turbos are going to improve fuel economy, nor help the car make more power at the top end. The press releases from Borg Warner make a point of explaining that peak boost is achieved 50% sooner or something like that. By the seat of my pants, I'd guess it's going from about a second down to half a second.
This also aligns with the oldest rumors from Car & Driver, that there would be a "T-HEV" model. Turbo hybrid. Obviously C&D had the implementation completely wrong (shocker), but this rumor seems pretty well substantiated at this point. But sure, we'll see next week
edit: to be clear, they're only not doing this on the Base because of money. It's not because the standard Carrera has much less turbo lag or anything like that. It would benefit similarly from this treatment.
Last edited by zachr; May 22, 2024 at 09:35 PM.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 3,688
Likes: 2,670
From: NoVA
Turbo lag isn't S-specific, it affects every car with a turbocharger.
And, like...of course they're doing this to improve turbo lag, dude. Why else would they do it? It's not like e-turbos are going to improve fuel economy, nor help the car make more power at the top end. The press releases from Borg Warner make a point of explaining that peak boost is achieved 50% sooner or something like that. By the seat of my pants, I'd guess it's going from about a second down to half a second.
This also aligns with the oldest rumors from Car & Driver, that there would be a "T-HEV" model. Turbo hybrid. Obviously C&D had the implementation completely wrong (shocker), but this rumor seems pretty well substantiated at this point. But sure, we'll see next week
edit: to be clear, they're only not doing this on the Base because of money. It's not because the standard Carrera has much less turbo lag or anything like that. It would benefit similarly from this treatment.
And, like...of course they're doing this to improve turbo lag, dude. Why else would they do it? It's not like e-turbos are going to improve fuel economy, nor help the car make more power at the top end. The press releases from Borg Warner make a point of explaining that peak boost is achieved 50% sooner or something like that. By the seat of my pants, I'd guess it's going from about a second down to half a second.
This also aligns with the oldest rumors from Car & Driver, that there would be a "T-HEV" model. Turbo hybrid. Obviously C&D had the implementation completely wrong (shocker), but this rumor seems pretty well substantiated at this point. But sure, we'll see next week
edit: to be clear, they're only not doing this on the Base because of money. It's not because the standard Carrera has much less turbo lag or anything like that. It would benefit similarly from this treatment.
Where are the numbers on lag? I've always wanted to see the numbers between the base, s turbos. I keep hearing about lag, but honestly, I'm not sure if what people are feeling is actually turbo lag. I used to drive a WRX. You wanna talk about lag.
I won't get numbers or stats, I'm sure, but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence and psychology playing a role here. We need some of these folks to do some blind tests.
lol
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 954
Likes: 963
From: ATL
I just realized that I do have some real data on this, via data logs from the M-Engineering dongle. Spot checking a few pulls, it is indeed about a second from stabbing the throttle to achieving full boost. It takes about half a second to get “close” (75% of ~peak), and another half second to get the rest of the way there with the M-Eng stage 2 tune on my GTS. I have no clue how much of that is programmed in versus being as fast as the turbo can manage to build the boost, but there’s some real data for you.
Maybe one day I’ll do a log on the stock map and see if the lag is comparable. If someone with a base carrera and the M dongle is willing to do their part, that might motivate me a bit more…
Maybe one day I’ll do a log on the stock map and see if the lag is comparable. If someone with a base carrera and the M dongle is willing to do their part, that might motivate me a bit more…
Last edited by zachr; May 22, 2024 at 09:59 PM.
Rennlist Stories
The Best Porsche Posts for Porsche Enthusiasts
Six Genius Porsche-Themed Gifts That'll Make Any Dad or Grad Smile
Joe Kucinski
10 Used Porsches Are Selling for Way Too Cheap
Joe Kucinski
Tuner Is Converting Porsche 911s Into Shooting Brakes
Verdad Gallardo
This Coachbuilt Creation Is A Modern Take on the Legendary Porsche 917
Verdad Gallardo
Is This Convertible Cayenne A Steal, Or A Returnless Investment?
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Non-Flat Six Porsches You Can Buy For Under $100K
Joe Kucinski
Porsche's Top 5 Most Questionable Naming Decisions
Verdad Gallardo
Pogea Racing's 964 Porsche 911 Reimagination Stands Out in a Crowded Field
Verdad Gallardo
6 Convertible Top MYTHS Most People Don't Understand!
Michael S. Palmer
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 3,688
Likes: 2,670
From: NoVA
I just realized that I do have some real data on this, via data logs from the M-Engineering dongle. Spot checking a few pulls, it is indeed about a second from stabbing the throttle to achieving full boost. It takes about half a second to get “close” (75% of ~peak), and another half second to get the rest of the way there with the M-Eng stage 2 tune on my GTS. I have no clue how much of that is programmed in versus being as fast as the turbo can manage to build the boost, but there’s some real data for you.
Maybe one day I’ll do a log on the stock map and see if the lag is comparable. If someone with a base carrera and the M dongle is willing to do their part, that might motivate me a bit more…
Maybe one day I’ll do a log on the stock map and see if the lag is comparable. If someone with a base carrera and the M dongle is willing to do their part, that might motivate me a bit more…
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 954
Likes: 963
From: ATL
Yes, though it’s not exactly automatic. You need the dongle connected to a PC with the logger configuration provided by the folks at M. For anyone looking to do this, I’m using the Time, Target Position Throttle, and Manifold Absolute Pressure columns, and calling it “peak boost” when MAP is within ~100 of the local maximum for the pull. The logs I’m looking at start around 4500rpm. I assume the lag would be much greater starting at, say, 2500rpm and locked in gear. That’s also the situation where e-turbos will make a huge difference.
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 1,271
Likes: 1,030
I just realized that I do have some real data on this, via data logs from the M-Engineering dongle. Spot checking a few pulls, it is indeed about a second from stabbing the throttle to achieving full boost. It takes about half a second to get “close” (75% of ~peak), and another half second to get the rest of the way there with the M-Eng stage 2 tune on my GTS. I have no clue how much of that is programmed in versus being as fast as the turbo can manage to build the boost, but there’s some real data for you.
Maybe one day I’ll do a log on the stock map and see if the lag is comparable. If someone with a base carrera and the M dongle is willing to do their part, that might motivate me a bit more…
Maybe one day I’ll do a log on the stock map and see if the lag is comparable. If someone with a base carrera and the M dongle is willing to do their part, that might motivate me a bit more…
power band. I wouldn’t ever describe that as turbo lag, because when it is in its power band 5k plus It feels extremely linear. If you are at 3k rpm it’s a relative dog till the rpm climbs. Do you see a lag when going down the road in manual mode 5k + stab the throttle? Thats data I would like to see. Take the downshift and power band out of the equation.
Racer
Joined: Sep 2022
Posts: 482
Likes: 276
From: Midwest
I’ve never met someone who bragged about their large ADM. Only people who either lie about their ADM bc they are embarrassed, or just tell the truth like it is. You must hang out with some crappy people.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 954
Likes: 963
From: ATL
Very interesting. To me the car feels kinda like a 2 stroke, with a very recognizable
power band. I wouldn’t ever describe that as turbo lag, because when it is in its power band 5k plus It feels extremely linear. If you are at 3k rpm it’s a relative dog till the rpm climbs. Do you see a lag when going down the road in manual mode 5k + stab the throttle? Thats data I would like to see. Take the downshift and power band out of the equation.
power band. I wouldn’t ever describe that as turbo lag, because when it is in its power band 5k plus It feels extremely linear. If you are at 3k rpm it’s a relative dog till the rpm climbs. Do you see a lag when going down the road in manual mode 5k + stab the throttle? Thats data I would like to see. Take the downshift and power band out of the equation.
