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I don’t like the way they have the exhaust. Not a fan of the 2 separate diffusers. I like a center exhaust, but this doesn’t come off that way. It just looks like dual exhaust positioned close to each other. Plus it looks like they snapped in 2 LEGO pieces for exhaust tips. I would’ve rather a single full width rear diffuser with a true center exhaust like a 991.2 or 992 gt3
Thx for enlarging that photo. Looking at each side of the exhaust, those are clearly intercooler air exit vents which means that car is turbocharged.
I question if those vents would be sufficient for air flow in turbo applications, we can't really see the size of the aperture (and only guessing they are indeed vents).
The Sport Design bumper may add slight air-flow to the GTS, but I question that statement as well. No doubt at all that the Turbo (big T) cars bumper does have a functional vent between the tailpipes, but for the GTS to do anything, the ducting after the intercooler would need to change to take advantage of this. This means they would have separate exit air ducting paths for Base/S and GTS with the same engine - which is contrary to what we have been told in terms of the changes between Base and S/GTS (S/GTS sharing everything except for the tune). Also the muffler is right where the vent is located, not sure it would do much.
And even if this center vent was functional (and not just made functional by the Do88 revised ducting), it is a secondary vent to the primary side vents. The spy shots don't have these side vents at all, so I am questioning if there is either no turbo, revised turbo setup (single turbo) or different cooling (i.e. air to water mentioned earlier).
Here is the Turbo's ducting, see the intake for the center vent between exhausts:
Carrera line air path:
Not saying it can't be the air path on the .2, just saying it looks dinky for what this is - and odd that Porsche would choose not to show off a functional vent like that (this is contrary to prior design history).
Sport design rear bumper IS the same design as the Turbo bumper though not the same bumper. Look at your graphic. Factory sport design rear bumper is a major upgrade over the regular rear bumper as discussed by do88. By moving the exhaust tips inboard to the centerline, Porsche had to split this vent and move it outboard. Thanks for the research and the graphics.
Sport design rear bumper IS the same design as the Turbo bumper though not the same bumper. Look at your graphic. Factory sport design rear bumper is a major upgrade over the regular rear bumper as discussed by do88. By moving the exhaust tips inboard to the centerline, Porsche had to split this vent and move it outboard. Thanks for the research and the graphics.
We are in agreement there - I just question if the Sport Design bumper center vent is actually functional for the T/S/GTS cars when specced.
Do88 changes the ducting to that of the Turbo cars to take advantage of it, but I question if the ducting is changed on the non-Turbo cars at the factory to take advantage of it.
Because the factory assembles the ducting to the intercooler at a separate stage in the production process (well before the bumpers are attached), it would require more complex changes than just the bumper change alone.
Well, let me answer your question since your 992.1 apparently lacks the rear sport design bumper.
Photo 1 is the optional rear sport design bumper on a 992.1 S or also on a GTS and T where it is standard equipment . This photo shows where the license plate location has been raised as compared to the standard rear bumper. Compare the two bumpers on the configurator. This has been done to allow an additional intercooler air exit center vent on the rear sport design bumper shown at the bottom of the photo under the Texas license plate. At the exterior of the bumper, this vent measures 18 inches by 3 inches so it has an area of 54 square Inches. I know because I just walked out into the garage and measured mine.
While I was out in my garage inspecting the center exit vent for intercooler air on my 2022 992.1 rear sport design bumper, I laid down and took a photo looking up the vent. Attached are those two photos. You will see that the underside of the intercooler fins located at the top of the center vent in the top of both of the photos. Of interest, also note the vent is divided.
Thus the current intercooler air flow for the 992.1 rear sport design bumper is, in fact, the same design as depicted in the schematic you provided for the 992.1 Turbo above.
The sport design package is not just aesthetic. It provides greatly improved airflow. That is why it is standard on the GTS and T and optional for other platforms. Porsche does a disservice by failing to explain this on the configurator.
Well, let me answer your question since your 992.1 apparently lacks the rear sport design bumper.
Photo 1 is the optional rear sport design bumper on a 992.1 S or also on a GTS and T where it is standard equipment . This photo shows where the license plate location has been raised as compared to the standard rear bumper. Compare the two bumpers on the configurator. This has been done to allow an additional intercooler air exit center vent on the rear sport design bumper shown at the bottom of the photo under the Texas license plate. At the exterior of the bumper, this vent measures 18 inches by 3 inches so it has an area of 54 square Inches. I know because I just walked out into the garage and measured mine.
While I was out in my garage inspecting the center exit vent for intercooler air on my 2022 992.1 rear sport design bumper, I laid down and took a photo looking up the vent. Attached are those two photos. You will see that the underside of the intercooler fins located at the top of the center vent in the top of both of the photos. Of interest, also note the vent is divided.
Thus the current intercooler air flow for the 992.1 rear sport design bumper is, in fact, the same design as depicted in the schematic you provided for the 992.1 Turbo above.
The sport design package is not just aesthetic. It provides greatly improved airflow. That is why it is standard on the GTS and T and optional for other platforms. Porsche does a disservice by failing to explain this on the configurator.
40% of 718 and 911 trims with a manual available were sold as a stick. Tell me again how you're all so certain that the stick isn't popular enough for Porsche to figure out how they'd build a hybrid with a manual?
40% of 718 and 911 trims with a manual available were sold as a stick. Tell me again how you're all so certain that the stick isn't popular enough for Porsche to figure out how they'd build a hybrid with a manual?
Same reason why 718 is going EV. Porsche does what it wants and knows that the fans will buy them regardless - especially when exactly zero of the competitors offer a manual. That 40% number gets cut in half once the overpriced golf-cart with a 718 body gets released.
Take rate today could be influenced by the perception of impending unavailability (FOMO).
Some facts:
- Manual take rate has been on a steady decline
- None of Porsche's competitors offer manual
- The current manual is incompatible with electrification (and no amount of 95lb-ft Honda CRZ mentions is going to change that) - this requires a new transmission to be developed
- Manuals are not even offered in Porsche's largest market (China)
- The current manual has reached it's torque limit on current non-electrified cars (see Sport Classic)
- Rumors are that Porsche will continue to offer the non-electrified 3.0L turbo motor with manual on certain 911 trims (most of us have said this)
- GT3 will continue to offer manual, as well as special editions
- EU climate insanity has forced manufacturers to move towards more efficient cars - auto/PDK is more efficient
40% of 718 and 911 trims with a manual available were sold as a stick. Tell me again how you're all so certain that the stick isn't popular enough for Porsche to figure out how they'd build a hybrid with a manual?
The take rate is nowhere close to that on the non GT cars, especially when you look globally. The 992 GT3 has an over 70% manual take rate in the US, and the US has a much higher manual take rate than the rest of the world. They will probably keep the MT if there is no extensive re engineering required, if there is then it is questionable. If the manual is removed from the hybrid models, they will probably keep the T model around to satisfy that market, and a manual will almost certainly reman available on the GT3.
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