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Old May 24, 2024 | 10:43 AM
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Don’t be ridiculous. No real person thinks a Porsche is a Beetle. That’s preposterous. Whether a person likes cars or not, the Porsche silhouette is nearly unmistakable.





Normal or not, the car is laggy.
fixed it for you.

While the new 911’s are MUCH improved over the 930’s, there is still definitely turbo lag.

I drive a 992 T back to back with a GT3 often (own both) and it’s really noticeable. Not that it is all bad. It’s a little different flavor with its power delivery and low rpm turbo whistle. Still lots of fun but don’t kid yourself, it’s still a very different experience when you bolt on a couple of turbos.

Maybe the 992.2 will improve this feel. But if you lose the manual, it’s going to hurt me a little. Both of mine are manuals and I much prefer a stick.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GTS2022
How certain it is that there will be no lemans key in 992.2?
Nothing is certain until it is so guess we have to wait until next week.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GTS2022
How certain it is that there will be no lemans key in 992.2?
It’s a subscription based start button.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 10:54 AM
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"99% of people look at a 911 and think it's a weird VW beetle"

one of the weirder things i have ever read on any forum - might not be a person in the world that sees a 911 and thinks what you posted
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Old May 24, 2024 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by C21ban
Nothing is certain until it is so guess we have to wait until next week.
What we do know is that the hybridized GTS will be faster than the 992.1 GTS. Porsche never makes cars that perform less well or get slower….
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Old May 24, 2024 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Oileater
What we do know is that the hybridized GTS will be faster than the 992.1 GTS. Porsche never makes cars that perform less well or get slower….
I do agree but his question was related to whether it will still have the LeMans key as many have stated or will it be replaced with Stop/Start button
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Old May 24, 2024 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Oileater
What we do know is that the hybridized GTS will be faster than the 992.1 GTS. Porsche never makes cars that perform less well or get slower….
Not interested in any more faster speeds, in that case Hyundai ionic 5N may smoke more than half of the 911s.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by zachr
99% of people look at a 911 and think it's a weird VW beetle, so while you're probably technically correct that doesn't really seem relevant. I dunno about y'all, but one of the main reasons I bought a 911 in the first place is because things most people would never care about are noticeable to me. Surely that's true for most of us in some capacity, whether it's leather quality or panel gaps or paint finish or driving dynamics. There are serious diminishing returns (relative to the cost) in all of those categories when you go from, say, a Camaro to an M3 then to a 911. If I didn't notice and care about some of them, I'd have bought something else.
Probably 99% of the people looking to buy a 911 today have no idea what a VW beetle is, much less what it looks like.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GTS2022
Not interested in any more faster speeds, in that case Hyundai ionic 5N may smoke more than half of the 911s.
Does this really matter to the 992.1 GTS owner with PDK?

it’s like the same driving experience, but better.

big impact on 992.1 GTS owners with the manual —they have the last of the manuals.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Oileater
Does this really matter to the 992.1 GTS owner with PDK?

it’s like the same driving experience, but better.

big impact on 992.1 GTS owners with the manual —they have the last of the manuals.
what’s the chances Porsche miraculously designed a manual transmission to go with the hybrid 992.2
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Old May 24, 2024 | 11:55 AM
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21.5 million Beetles produced, 2nd most of any model of all time. I’m pretty sure most everyone on the planet of driving age knows what a VW beetle is. This is just an old Top Gear/Jeremy Clarkson trope. But anyway, back to other annoying side topics. While I’m not in line to buy a 992.2, I do think turbo lag can be further reduced on the 992.1 and I’m excited about that. While the lag is certainly minimal on the 992.1 when you drive it properly and when you compare it to many other turbocharged cars, to say it’s not there is to be naive. Just go drive one of the 4.0, 3.8 or 3.4 NA engines and report back. But with that said, boost buildup is it’s own sensation and can be subjectively “fun” just like any other aspect of a car.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by C21ban
I do agree but his question was related to whether it will still have the LeMans key as many have stated or will it be replaced with Stop/Start button
Isn’t the idea behind the “LeMans” key more to do with the position (to the left of the steering wheel) than the fact that you need to turn it to start the car? So a Start/Stop button, on the left, would capture that concept/reason in spirit? Just one more layer removed from the original LeMans car concept.

FWIW, I do like turning the “key” grommet vs a pressing a button.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad Stinson
… boost buildup is it’s own sensation and can be subjectively “fun” just like any other aspect of a car.
I quite like modern, high performance, high displacement turbo motors. Dare I say that I prefer them for their flexibility?
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Old May 24, 2024 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pal
Isn’t the idea behind the “LeMans” key more to do with the position (to the left of the steering wheel) than the fact that you need to turn it to start the car? So a Start/Stop button, on the left, would capture that concept/reason in spirit? Just one more layer removed from the original LeMans car concept.

FWIW, I do like turning the “key” grommet vs a pressing a button.
I agree.
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Old May 24, 2024 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pal
Isn’t the idea behind the “LeMans” key more to do with the position (to the left of the steering wheel) than the fact that you need to turn it to start the car? So a Start/Stop button, on the left, would capture that concept/reason in spirit? Just one more layer removed from the original LeMans car concept.

FWIW, I do like turning the “key” grommet vs a pressing a button.
Once you find out what the real reason behind the key being on the left is, you won't really care where it's placed anymore. Hint: Nothing to do with Le Mans.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1136...l#post15741497

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