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I think the S trim has lost its "value" over the years.
Upto the 997 gen, the base and the S had a different engine (3.8l vs 3.6l) but now they're basically the same 3.0 turbo engine with a different ECU.
Then there are also other models like the T and GTS which are more focused and driver oriented than the S. It has become a half-assed trim IMHO.
Not surprised Porsche isn't releasing the S at the launch of the 992.2. Who knows? They may have ditched the S grade once and for all
Upto the 997 gen, the base and the S had a different engine (3.8l vs 3.6l) but now they're basically the same 3.0 turbo engine with a different ECU.
Then there are also other models like the T and GTS which are more focused and driver oriented than the S. It has become a half-assed trim IMHO.
Not surprised Porsche isn't releasing the S at the launch of the 992.2. Who knows? They may have ditched the S grade once and for all
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dunno atm, things changed and i didnt bother for more info since premiere is less then week away. Basic carrera coming first now I heard with deliveries for summer, then gts october, but 6 months ago it was supposed to be gts > basic + s > gt3 > turbo s > targa models, ~3 months between each.
Gt3 is just 520hp I think
T + gt3 only models with manual
base is 390 or 395 hp with old 3.0 engine, s 510, gts 540, gt3 520, tops (turbo s) 710, base turbo no clue - that was initial info from ~a year ago.
Gt3 is just 520hp I think
T + gt3 only models with manual
base is 390 or 395 hp with old 3.0 engine, s 510, gts 540, gt3 520, tops (turbo s) 710, base turbo no clue - that was initial info from ~a year ago.
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I think the S trim has lost its "value" over the years.
Upto the 997 gen, the base and the S had a different engine (3.8l vs 3.6l) but now they're basically the same 3.0 turbo engine with a different ECU.
Then there are also other models like the T and GTS which are more focused and driver oriented than the S. It has become a half-assed trim IMHO.
Not surprised Porsche isn't releasing the S at the launch of the 992.2. Who knows? They may have ditched the S grade once and for all
Upto the 997 gen, the base and the S had a different engine (3.8l vs 3.6l) but now they're basically the same 3.0 turbo engine with a different ECU.
Then there are also other models like the T and GTS which are more focused and driver oriented than the S. It has become a half-assed trim IMHO.
Not surprised Porsche isn't releasing the S at the launch of the 992.2. Who knows? They may have ditched the S grade once and for all
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I think the S trim has lost its "value" over the years.
Upto the 997 gen, the base and the S had a different engine (3.8l vs 3.6l) but now they're basically the same 3.0 turbo engine with a different ECU.
Then there are also other models like the T and GTS which are more focused and driver oriented than the S. It has become a half-assed trim IMHO.
Not surprised Porsche isn't releasing the S at the launch of the 992.2. Who knows? They may have ditched the S grade once and for all
Upto the 997 gen, the base and the S had a different engine (3.8l vs 3.6l) but now they're basically the same 3.0 turbo engine with a different ECU.
Then there are also other models like the T and GTS which are more focused and driver oriented than the S. It has become a half-assed trim IMHO.
Not surprised Porsche isn't releasing the S at the launch of the 992.2. Who knows? They may have ditched the S grade once and for all
FYI, the 997.2 engines were 3.6 and 3.8 while the 997.1 was 3.4 and 3.6.
The turbos are different between a base/T (smaller) and an S (larger). It is not just the ECU tuning. A C2S Coupe allocation is still one of the most desired as well as difficult to come by.
Last edited by RatherJaded; May 22, 2024 at 08:19 PM.
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The Base and S have different turbochargers, brakes, suspension etc. S and GTS share the same engine/turbo setup while the S (SPASM) and T share suspension. The S is actually exactly what it should be, slotting between the T and GTS. T isn't necessarily any more "driver oriented" than the S in a respective spec - think of the S as a T with a GTS engine and larger brakes.
My opinion is, the base engine with a smaller turbine has better response at lower rpms which gives it a NA like feel to it (ie less turbo lag).
The 992.2 S will allegedly have the 48v motor to compensate for the lag.
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I went from a T to a GTS. No discernible lag. It's all anecdotal or psychological. No one can really put down numbers on how fast each turbo spools up and how much that specific turbo has on the power curve. People seem to think they can tell but they don't know if it's the turbos or just the power curve of the engine and mapping. I have yet to see anyone give facts on this.
And as far as the comment on putting a 48v motor in to compensate for lag on the S. Really? Are we trolling?
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Someone hasn't been keeping up. The turbos will be electrified, spun in part by an electric motor to minimize turbo lag. It should be a substantial improvement in responsiveness: certainly the 400v version will be, but even the 48v should be noticeably better.
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Yes my opinion. When I hear these guys bragging about their "gated" GT3 and how much markup they paid to get it, it makes me barf. Since when did a manual transmission Porsche become "gated"?
Porsche keeps raising prices because there's this whole new breed of customers it has found. Porsche isn't living off retired physicians in their 70s and 80s.
Porsche keeps raising prices because there's this whole new breed of customers it has found. Porsche isn't living off retired physicians in their 70s and 80s.
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You drank the Kool Aid didn't you?
I went from a T to a GTS. No discernible lag. It's all anecdotal or psychological. No one can really put down numbers on how fast each turbo spools up and how much that specific turbo has on the power curve. People seem to think they can tell but they don't know if it's the turbos or just the power curve of the engine and mapping. I have yet to see anyone give facts on this.
And as far as the comment on putting a 48v motor in to compensate for lag on the S. Really? Are we trolling?
I went from a T to a GTS. No discernible lag. It's all anecdotal or psychological. No one can really put down numbers on how fast each turbo spools up and how much that specific turbo has on the power curve. People seem to think they can tell but they don't know if it's the turbos or just the power curve of the engine and mapping. I have yet to see anyone give facts on this.
And as far as the comment on putting a 48v motor in to compensate for lag on the S. Really? Are we trolling?
GTS to a 2024 T and I think T feels much more agile and responsive! If you're all with specs and numbers, yeah you should go with the S or GTS or whatever.
The 992.2 S will come with the 48v motor, if you like it or not.