992.2 April 2024 Release
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If it’s the same article, it says:
In 2023, 911 GTS RS gets a redesign, with 518hp 4.0 liter six.
Later in 2023, Cayenne, Taycan, and 911 “all get refreshed” No details regarding 911.
In 2024, should see hybrid 911, electric Macan, and might be electric Cayenne.
2026, new three-row cross-over electric SUV, K1”.
From “Street Talk”, Bob Rassa & Doug Lloyd
In 2023, 911 GTS RS gets a redesign, with 518hp 4.0 liter six.
Later in 2023, Cayenne, Taycan, and 911 “all get refreshed” No details regarding 911.
In 2024, should see hybrid 911, electric Macan, and might be electric Cayenne.
2026, new three-row cross-over electric SUV, K1”.
From “Street Talk”, Bob Rassa & Doug Lloyd
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The 2023s are already being produced. Expect suspect MY '24 leaks to start soonish. And if past history holds, configurator updated in April showing 2024 and MY change over production starts end of August.
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I think nyca’s comment is on point. The issue with a hybrid 911 is weight, I think. All that hybrid equipment added to the power train along with the lithium battery and associated cooling systems is added weight and then what does that do to cornering, agility and driving dynamics. I will keep an open mind until I drive it. But, anyone who wants an ICE sports car with a MT and no GPF might want to get one now.
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Sorry I made a mistake. I was about to ask whether it was going to be MY24 or MY25 for 992.2....
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The way that's worded, it seems there will be a single 911 Hybrid model versus the hybridization of the entire Carrera line-up. Nonetheless, I'm banking on the entire Carrera line-up getting some sort of mild hybrid set-up and maybe the Turbo S will get something akin to the 296 GTB.
Agreed. The article hints that there will be a hybrid version along with non-hybrid versions for the ‘24 992.2’s. Unknown if all Carrera’s go hybrid with GT-cars staying ICE for now. That could be a possibility, imo. Turbo’s going hybrid is pretty much all but confirmed to me.
The 992.2 hybrids seem to be non plug-in hybrids with F1-style KERS. My bet is that the AWD versions will get hybridized as the front drive shaft can be omitted (for weight savings) and instead a small electric motor can be used upfront to fill in the turbos torque gap like in the 296.
here is the full quote from Panorama:
…The venerable 911 is still on track for a refresh in late 2023, which could also bring electrification with a hybrid version that should arrive in 2024, inspired by 918 Spyder and 911 GT3 R hybrid technology…
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Agreed. The article hints that there will be a hybrid version along with non-hybrid versions for the ‘24 992.2’s. Unknown if all Carrera’s go hybrid with GT-cars staying ICE for now. That could be a possibility, imo. Turbo’s going hybrid is pretty much all but confirmed to me.
The 992.2 hybrids seem to be non plug-in hybrids with F1-style KERS. My bet is that the AWD versions will get hybridized as the front drive shaft can be omitted (for weight savings) and instead a small electric motor can be used upfront to fill in the turbos torque gap like in the 296.
here is the full quote from Panorama:
The 992.2 hybrids seem to be non plug-in hybrids with F1-style KERS. My bet is that the AWD versions will get hybridized as the front drive shaft can be omitted (for weight savings) and instead a small electric motor can be used upfront to fill in the turbos torque gap like in the 296.
here is the full quote from Panorama:
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Dare I say this but a smaller displacement would help offset weight. I see flat 4 …
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is that a typo and should it be GT3 RS (or ST, which is on the way soon)? or really GTS RS with mighty 4.0 ?
I am trying to google anything about "Street Talk Bob Rassa Doug Lloyd" to found it myself, but unsuccessfully. what show is that? TV show? podcast?
Tanks a lot!
I am trying to google anything about "Street Talk Bob Rassa Doug Lloyd" to found it myself, but unsuccessfully. what show is that? TV show? podcast?
Tanks a lot!
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Agreed. The article hints that there will be a hybrid version along with non-hybrid versions for the ‘24 992.2’s. Unknown if all Carrera’s go hybrid with GT-cars staying ICE for now. That could be a possibility, imo. Turbo’s going hybrid is pretty much all but confirmed to me.
The 992.2 hybrids seem to be non plug-in hybrids with F1-style KERS. My bet is that the AWD versions will get hybridized as the front drive shaft can be omitted (for weight savings) and instead a small electric motor can be used upfront to fill in the turbos torque gap like in the 296.
here is the full quote from Panorama:
The 992.2 hybrids seem to be non plug-in hybrids with F1-style KERS. My bet is that the AWD versions will get hybridized as the front drive shaft can be omitted (for weight savings) and instead a small electric motor can be used upfront to fill in the turbos torque gap like in the 296.
here is the full quote from Panorama:
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Great point, the 919 Hybrid has the lithium ion batteries up front to drive the front wheels while the engine drives the real wheels. Makes sense for the way the 911 is packaged but again, more so for the Turbo. This seems overkill for the Carrera models and I am sure Porsche wants the 992.2 to continue to offer a manual for Carrera models. Not sure how a KERS set up would work with a manual but of course a mild hybrid set up would work.
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I feel the same way. There will be a few options to go ICE only...GT cars, Possibly GTS and T. All speculation of course
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I bet they will keep the legacy 3.0T mated to the manual, and whatever new 6800 rpm engine will be for the high output cars. I don't think you will be able to switch between hybrid/non hybrid at the same trim level. Someone earlier said Base/T will get manual and S/GTS/Turbo are all PDK hybrid. That makes sense to me
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