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Old 03-28-2023, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by avid
There's too much fun to be had driving a slow car fast. Also, good equipment masks one's handicap. I find it better to start with basic equipment no matter what the sport.
But I can assure you, it is way more fun driving a fast car fast
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Originally Posted by Tobeit
While not changing from S/GTS to base I did "downgrade" immensely in terms of power and torque from my previous car (tuned AMG). But agree, why would anybody make that change but I am sure some T buyers here own higher powered P cars already.
apples and oranges. But sold my base in line sixbase Panamera three years ago and got the new turbo Panamera
a horrible mistake. Zero fun to drive. Too strong and too smooth. I hated it. Just sold it and awaiting base 992 that I build recently

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Originally Posted by shelbyking
Great post Man. I get it.
read my comment below. You are spot on
Old 03-29-2023, 07:32 AM
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For the 992 I would lean more towards a base but unfortunately you can't get that in a stick so it's C2S for me. T would be the obvious pick but they are not attainable currently.
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Originally Posted by CanAutM3
But I can assure you, it is way more fun driving a fast car fast
Correct, and thankfully the "base" is a fast car, just not the fastest.
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Originally Posted by CanAutM3
But I can assure you, it is way more fun driving a fast car fast
Unfortunately most modern "fast" cars do not feel fast when driven fast.
Old 03-29-2023, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Unfortunately most modern "fast" cars do not feel fast when driven fast.
I’ll take you for a spin around my local track. I have had very few un-impressed passengers, and many of them were experienced trackers. The 992 is an impressive machine when driven near the limit
Old 03-29-2023, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Unfortunately most modern "fast" cars do not feel fast when driven fast.
Originally Posted by CanAutM3
I’ll take you for a spin around my local track. I have had very few un-impressed passengers, and many of them were experienced trackers. The 992 is an impressive machine when driven near the limit
Being a driver and passenger are two very different experiences when skating around the track at 102%. As a driver tracks in SoCal are mostly wide open so speed ques are lessened in the straights and a 992 feels like it needs more power, but as soon as you need to turn in at say 140 Willow Springs or 160 Auto Club the pucker factors is there for driver and guaranteed for passenger.
Old 03-29-2023, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Unfortunately most modern "fast" cars do not feel fast when driven fast.
That is exactly why the old muscle cars felt so damn fast as they had no sound insulation, terrible suspensions, tons of vibrations, etc.
I drove a friends new Escalade the other day and realized I was going nearly 90 MPH on I-75 when it felt like I was maybe doing 50.
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I was so close to pulling the trigger on a 992 C4 S cabriolet. I came across a really nice low mileage bass cabriolet for 25K less after just selling my 991 base, I decided I don’t really need the extra horsepower for my 3 1/2 mile commute to work each day, I am about to pull the trigger on the base and figure out what to do with the extra 25K that I don’t have to spend on a car
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Old 04-08-2023, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbyking
That is exactly why the old muscle cars felt so damn fast as they had no sound insulation, terrible suspensions, tons of vibrations, etc.
I drove a friends new Escalade the other day and realized I was going nearly 90 MPH on I-75 when it felt like I was maybe doing 50.
That’s an accurate observation
Old 04-08-2023, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
I did the Porsche Drive program for a couple months last year and got to spend quality time in four different Carrera/Carrera S models (as well as the four-door Porsches). First of all, none of the 992 models are slow. I had a base Carrera coupe back-to-back with a Carrera S sport package car (no RWS or PDCC), each for a week, both PDK, and they were both great fun pushing hard on some of our great mountain and canyon roads. Unfortunately the GTS I reserved was wrecked the day before, so I wasn't able to compare it, but the two extremes of C2 and C2S were only subtly different. Truth be told, overall I enjoyed the C2 more. Both are quick...but in the C2 you get to enjoy more revs and less turbo lag. More linear. The C2S has more lag and big mid-range punch, but the PDK wants to ride that torque wave and upshifts sooner than in the C2. Obviously you an override it and take it to redline, but then you are into triple digits. Sport suspension was very slightly stiffer with both in PASM Sport, but that also resulted in slightly less fluidity on rougher surfaces. Did not notice any difference in braking. Had a memorable run up tight Latigo Canyon in the C2, and the C2S Sport was more at home on the faster, wider turns and long straights of Hwy 33.

I expect the GTS takes the C2S Sport slightly further...more power, but more turbo lag, and slightly stiffer suspension. IMO a GTS with buckets would be a great package for dual purpose track/street, but for street only I would prefer the C2 or T.

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Old 04-08-2023, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
I did the Porsche Drive program for a couple months last year and got to spend quality time in four different Carrera/Carrera S models (as well as the four-door Porsches). First of all, none of the 992 models are slow. I had a base Carrera coupe back-to-back with a Carrera S sport package car (no RWS or PDCC), each for a week, both PDK, and they were both great fun pushing hard on some of our great mountain and canyon roads. Unfortunately the GTS I reserved was wrecked the day before, so I wasn't able to compare it, but the two extremes of C2 and C2S were only subtly different. Truth be told, overall I enjoyed the C2 more. Both are quick...but in the C2 you get to enjoy more revs and less turbo lag. More linear. The C2S has more lag and big mid-range punch, but the PDK wants to ride that torque wave and upshifts sooner than in the C2. Obviously you an override it and take it to redline, but then you are into triple digits. Sport suspension was very slightly stiffer with both in PASM Sport, but that also resulted in slightly less fluidity on rougher surfaces. Did not notice any difference in braking. Had a memorable run up tight Latigo Canyon in the C2, and the C2S Sport was more at home on the faster, wider turns and long straights of Hwy 33.

I expect the GTS takes the C2S Sport slightly further...more power, but more turbo lag, and slightly stiffer suspension. IMO a GTS with buckets would be a great package for dual purpose track/street, but for street only I would prefer the C2 or T.

Thanks for your insights, Alan. I am drawn from C2S to a T because of availability.
However, the more I read the more I look forward to 992T.
Old 05-07-2023, 02:38 PM
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Had the base Carrera finally, wow is an understatement. Compared to the 2018 Panamera turbo I had it’s a huge leap
you can tell that the PTV is not there in sharp corners.
but, acceleration and response and brakes. More than what you need.
if you get the T you can have the PTV. The hype is well earned and not exaggerated
Old 05-07-2023, 02:44 PM
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You can option in PTV on a Carrera 4.


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