Nidal

if you track it you will need the 18 way

Nidal

there is always more, 6 different trims that offer 6 different experiences

CodyBigdog

I own a 992 S. I mainly wanted the greater HP/Torque for straight-line / street acceleration. However, on the track, at my experience level, the added HP/torque is wasted on me. One of my best mates from college has a GT3 and an older Cayman. He is a regular at the track, and uses both cars. I once asked him which car he prefers on the track. Without hesitation, he said the Cayman because he feels having less HP, etc has forced him to become a better driver in trying to approach the car’s capabilities.

Wilder

There's too much fun to be had driving a slow car fast. Also, good equipment masks one's handicap. I find it better to start with basic equipment no matter what the sport.

shelbyking

How many guys drop from an S, GTS, or higher to a base 911 because it is more fun to drive a performance car with less HP and TQ? That may be true on a track but lets be real here. How many late model 911 owners are spending a great percentage of their miles on a closed course and serious about lap times and consistency?
I have personally never known or heard of any 911 S or GTS owner looking to go base model with less power next time around. Significant numbers of base model owners look to move up the ladder.

Tobeit

While not changing from S/GTS to base I did "downgrade" immensely in terms of power and torque from my previous car (tuned AMG). But agree, why would anybody make that change but I am sure some T buyers here own higher powered P cars already.

AdamIsAdam

I'll let you know once I get my T, but I sold a 526hp GT350 for my T. Hell, I sold a 500hp Cobra (weighing 2,200lbs) for my Cayman GTS. No regrets on the move to the Cayman. The jury is still out on the T, at least in terms of driving experiences, not in terms of moving from a Mustang to a Porsche. duh. (But if you have never driven a GT350, you are not qualified to weigh in! LOL)

CodyBigdog

People should get what meets their needs and budget…..based on where and how they plan to drive the car. All Porsche 911 models are fun to drive….and assumes you only plan to get one Porsche.

If I had planned to spend a lot of time at the track, I might re-think things and just get a manual base, or even a Cayman/718. In fact, I probably would have gone the used rout and gutted the inside to make it a track only car…with slicks.

As is, my car is not a daily driver - I have too many other cars to be a daily driver - and is almost exclusively a good weather, fun street car that’s driven maybe, once a week. Knowing that, if I were to do anything over, I probably would have gotten a Targa, and gone to the Turbo for even greater acceleration. So yes, i would have gone up, not down based on my own criteria. But have a couple of track junkie buddies that went in the other direction.

ipse dixit

More than you'd imagine.

Just check out this thread, lots of folks "downsizing" to a T.

Tobeit

This is how I use mine too and would agree if I was to do street style racing or track I may have chosen differently. I would argue for 90% of the S/GTS owners its the tickly to know it has more power/torque (nothing wrong with it) than really exhausting its power or torque on any regular basis. But if money and availability dont matter who would not pick a S/GTS over Base...just priorities in live for me.

gcurnew

You have now lol. My last 911 GTS had 408 hp compared to my 992 base C4 with 379 hp. When I bought my 992 (ordered late 2019), I could have gone for an S but chose the "base." If I were looking to get a newer 992 than my 2020 I'd go for a T, which is a base with goodies.

Alan Smithee

I did the Porsche Drive program for a couple months last year and got to spend quality time in four different Carrera/Carrera S models (as well as the four-door Porsches). First of all, none of the 992 models are slow. I had a base Carrera coupe back-to-back with a Carrera S sport package car (no RWS or PDCC), each for a week, both PDK, and they were both great fun pushing hard on some of our great mountain and canyon roads. Unfortunately the GTS I reserved was wrecked the day before, so I wasn't able to compare it, but the two extremes of C2 and C2S were only subtly different. Truth be told, overall I enjoyed the C2 more. Both are quick...but in the C2 you get to enjoy more revs and less turbo lag. More linear. The C2S has more lag and big mid-range punch, but the PDK wants to ride that torque wave and upshifts sooner than in the C2. Obviously you an override it and take it to redline, but then you are into triple digits. Sport suspension was very slightly stiffer with both in PASM Sport, but that also resulted in slightly less fluidity on rougher surfaces. Did not notice any difference in braking. Had a memorable run up tight Latigo Canyon in the C2, and the C2S Sport was more at home on the faster, wider turns and long straights of Hwy 33.

I expect the GTS takes the C2S Sport slightly further...more power, but more turbo lag, and slightly stiffer suspension. IMO a GTS with buckets would be a great package for dual purpose track/street, but for street only I would prefer the C2 or T.

KenTO

I have gone from GTS to Carrera T because I found the GTS boring, not challenging at all even at above legal speeds, it's too damn competent, needs an autobahn. But on the other hand I have owned 4 911s, a GT4, 2 Ferraris and McLaren 600LT Spider recently and I think I have gotten "proving how big my ********* are by how fast my car theoretically goes" out of my system.

Wilder

Exactly. I'm in line with deposits (no allocation yet) for a GT4RS, a GT3T and a Dakar. If I get the GT3T, I'll sell the T but otherwise, the T is my roadtrip car and the only reason I'd upgrade is because I want the pinnacle touring car before 911s go hybrid or EV but I don't actually need more than what the T has to offer. If you look at the power increases in the GT cars for the past decade, they've been negligible. I speculate it's because around 500hp seems to be the peak power most people can handle. Hell, most people can't handle 400hp. It's just like phones. If you have an iPhone 11, you probably haven't felt the need to upgrade.

shelbyking

Great post Man. I get it.