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I just read the last two replies to this thread, the ones before were on December 2023, and earlier. So excuse me if someone already mentioned the below information.
Although it is the same 3.0 engine, the S has PTV+ (Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus) while the Base only has a limited-slip differential, therefore, the S can deliver the power in a better way to the rear wheels.
The turbos in the S are larger than those in the Base. (Pic below) The S and GTS have the Same Turbo, but the GTS is tuned differently.
The S has a 6-piston caliper with 350mm disc brakes, while the Base has only a 4-piston caliper with 330mm disc brakes. The S can be configured with RAS (Rear Axle Steering) and PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) while the Base can not. Therefore an S with less power with PDCC and RAS might be able to perform better than a Base depending on the Tune Level.
Last edited by user 999993337; 05-24-2024 at 06:42 PM.
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I just read the last two replies to this thread, the ones before were on December 2023, and earlier. So excuse me if someone already mentioned the below information.
Although it is the same 3.0 engine, the S has PTV+ (Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus) while the Base only has a limited-slip differential, therefore, the S can deliver the power in a better way to the rear wheels.
The turbos in the S are larger than those in the Base. (Pic below) The S and GTS have the Same Turbo, but the GTS is tuned differently.
The S has a 6-piston caliper with 350mm disc brakes, while the Base has only a 4-piston caliper with 330mm disc brakes. The S can be configured with RAS (Rear Axle Steering) and PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) while the Base can not. Therefore an S with less power with PDCC and RAS might be able to perform better than a Base depending on the Tune Level.
All points are true except point 1. The Base C2 doesn't have a rear diff at all...it's an open diff.
All points are true except point 1. The Base C2 doesn't have a rear diff at all...it's an open diff.
Several threads are debating that. So you might be right, but do you think Porsche will put an open differential on a 385HP sports car??? How does it control traction?
All points are true except point 1. The Base C2 doesn't have a rear diff at all...it's an open diff.
Yet the base has ridiculous amounts of rear grip and has no problem putting the power down. In fact, several journalists have commented that the car is actually quite difficult to break loose at the rear --- it's one the reasons the car comes across as a bit "too clinical."
While this is easily addressed with a tune, the last thing the car needs on the street IMO is more rear grip from a rear diff (or PTV). The Base C2 almost feels like you're driving an AWD car vs a RWD car
Several threads are debating that. So you might be right, but do you think Porsche will put an open differential on a 385HP sports car??? How does it control traction?
traction control is different to an LSD. Traction control in a 992, including the S, is done via the brakes. The base RWD car has an open diff, no LSD.
traction control is different to an LSD. Traction control in a 992, including the S, is done via the brakes. The base RWD car has an open diff, no LSD.
Thank you for pointing it out, I went to a few other forums and you are right. But the question is, why would Porsche have a basic open diff on the Base, and add a PTV+ on the S?
Thank you for pointing it out, I went to a few other forums and you are right. But the question is, why would Porsche have a basic open diff on the Base, and add a PTV+ on the S?
It’s simple……distinction! The same reason a GTS gets options an S doesn’t, or the GT3RS/ST/etc. get that a regular GT3 doesn’t.
Thank you for pointing it out, I went to a few other forums and you are right. But the question is, why would Porsche have a basic open diff on the Base, and add a PTV+ on the S?
See my post above - it simply doesn't need it. It's not struggling for traction (and I'm talking about with traction control off).
I’ve had a base and currently have a T manual but was previously hell bent on an S. After realizing I wanted a less refined driving experience, the T was the right choice for an enthusiast spec of the litter. It’s nice to know the T will be more desirable than the S in the future as well.
I’ve had a base and currently have a T manual but was previously hell bent on an S. After realizing I wanted a less refined driving experience, the T was the right choice for an enthusiast spec of the litter. It’s nice to know the T will be more desirable than the S in the future as well.
The T with manual transmission has PTV
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Why? The upsell to the “S” is the power, the brakes, the dynamic mounts, the LSD, etc. The base car is the base car for a reason.
The S has so many advantages over the Base, with the RAS, PDCC, Brakes and others...
I'm not saying that the base should have the same specifications as the S. However, Porsche went with an Open Diff, not LSD nor even a PTV. The S has the PTV+.
They might have done that because if someone decided to tune the car the same as our friend here, they might get the same power as the S but not the same track performance.
The S has so many advantages over the Base, with the RAS, PDCC, Brakes and others...
I'm not saying that the base should have the same specifications as the S. However, Porsche went with an Open Diff, not LSD nor even a PTV. The S has the PTV+.
They might have done that because if someone decided to tune the car the same as our friend here, they might get the same power as the S but not the same track performance.
RAS, PDCC, etc. aren’t standard equipment on an “S”, so they aren’t always factors. Not all of us equipped our “S” variants with those options. Again, the specifications are part of the upsell (…just like the manual transmission). Now we have the “T”; a base with “S” and “GTS” options……..the upsell.
Do you own a base 992 and are trying to convince yourself or feel good about your car?
Porsche could have at least bridged the gap a bit between the two models.
I do have a 992 base and I wouldn't say I love it and one of the reasons why is because it has TOO much traction. It's so good/capable that it's not as much fun. The last thing I need is more technology that gives it more traction but adds layers of distortion between my inputs and what the tires are doing.
I've had other cars that have rear axle steering, torque vectoring, dynamic steering and all those other acronyms and I turn them off if I can. It numbs the driving experience.
If I wanted the fastest car, I could drive an EV like a Hyundai Ioniq 5 N and would feel like driving a computer game - with no soul.
I've thought about swapping my base for a S simply bc I'm hoping that the extra power will be enough to overwhelm the rear tires a bit more bc the base does not have enough power to do so. However, the simple fix is to add a tune to the base instead.
05-24-2024, 06:31 PM
