KenTO

Sad day, had to put my T in winter storage, only 1800 km driven this summer. That's what I get for living in the city. The trickle charger is also a pain, hooked it up directly to the battery, fine for a few days then just turned itself off. Had to reconnect everything. Advice to those who do winter storage, leave the frunk open, if the battery goes it will be very difficult to get in the car and open the hood, direct access to the battery can save a lot of time and energy.

arrivederci

Either way, whether you mis-quote or just make stuff up, you are quite a reach with your 'value' argument. You happened to pick the most marked up, premium performance version that BMW sells. Cherry picking to make your case.

Porsche is maybe not the worst - but definitely from a value perspective it is near the bottom. I have a hard time thinking up something with similar performance that costs more. Porsche charges a huge premium and we all know it. $131K in 2023 for a carrera T with 370hp (or slightly more) and 3254 lbs --- vs $63K for an F80 M3 in 2018 with 444hp (also slightly more) and 3550 lbs. And for today's cars that offer similar performance, look at the vette, the camaro ZL1 (discontinued?), the Mustang dark horse. They all perform similarly or some even better. Is the cheapness and quality you claim of others worth 40/50/60k more? My M3 has 4 doors, can comfortably seat 4, and has a pretty big boot. And it has decent performance with a manual trans. That's what I call solid value. Come one now. Please put down your pitcher of porsche kool aide and take off the porsche design sunglasses.

timothymoffat

Agree on the 7:40....maybe a smidge under. As to T with PDK, RAS, Cup 2s, and suspension tuning beating a GTS again i agree. However, doing the same to a GTS would make a more level playing field and have the GTS in front again though with far less gap than stock to stock.

I think Porsche is careful not to release times on non-track cars as stated. One car I'd love to see a time for is the 992 Turbo S with Sport PASM and, crucially, Cup 2R tires. I think that could upset the apple cart.

Barkat03

Well if your value is based on 0-60mph times, then go and buy a Tesla performance.
If your value is based on driving satisfaction on real world roads with stupid speed limits, get a manual T.
If you want to track it regularly go for a GTS (or a 991 GT3).
All the dozens of reviews that rate the T as the sweet spot for non-GT 911’s can’t all be wrong, can they??

Fishah

You're comparing 2018 pricing to 2023 pricing and not even using the base model.

Most G80 BMW go out the door around $80-$90k, compared to $114k for a bae Carrera. The Porsche is far more than $24k better.

When you use Porsche 2021 pricing, the gap shrinks even more.

Mike818

spicy take: 911 is a sports car from inception to execution to final delivery. BMW M* cars are commuter cars doing sports car cosplay.

Wilder

The point I was making between the GTS and T is that the T with a tune is roughly the same as GTS stock power. A T with PDK and RAS loses much of it's weight advantage while the GTS has a slight edge with helper springs and bigger brakes. These cars would be very close. Both cars with better tires and suspension tuning would shave another 10-15 seconds. In other words, both a GTS with tires and tuned suspension and a T with same mods plus tune could potentially get down to the 7:12 that @Vernin suggested.

The bigger point I'd like to make is that the 992 platform is absolutely brilliant and significantly superior to the 991.

Green_Tea

Hello 911T Club.
I am new to Rennlist. I am not new to Porsche having had a 2.4 S and a 964 R/S in the past.
After years of Ferraris, I have decided to jump back in. Why? Well I test drove a manual T and it felt 100% 911 DNA.
Plus my wife, who has never driven my F12 took the T demo out for a spin and came back smiling.
So done deal.
Delivery date was originally late 2024 but has come forward to March.
Paint to sample Mint Green

arrivederci

Base model? Isn’t this a T thread so the natural comparison would be to a T. The large leap many are taking is this. Some state the T is the sweet app or performance value in the 911 lineup. To extend that to being a value overall is a stretch. Some with 718s would laugh at you - maybe Adam? And that’s just another Porsche not to mention so many lower cost high performing street cars - as previously mentioned.

Reality is that very few would cross shop a new 911 against any of those. Or a Tesla model s performance or other fast things. The 911 is just different. That’s why I won’t let go of my m3 to have a 911.

RatherJaded

Congrats!

There is much speculation that 992 T production will cease production in Jan/Feb 2024. PTS is also sold out for MY24. See the email below from PCNA.

timothymoffat

Superior than 991? Why yes of course I’d agree with this statement. That’s the 911 doing what it always has. Significantly so? I’d say the incremental improvement is on par with each evolutionary change that comes along the way. Not all change is positive.

Flame-retardant suit on!

Green_Tea

Our order went in early July this year.
At the time of the order we were told to expect a 12 month wait at least.
Since the it has come forward, first to May 24, then March, so February production.
I wonder if the are thinking to do a batch of T’s Jan/Feb and maybe that will be it.

reggie2234

What a great color!

RatherJaded

So guessing an “Order Demand” initially last July. Is your allocation now at V200?

Green_Tea

Not sure what V200 is?
I will have to catch up with modern Porsche terminology.
But, the dealer described it as ‘Factory Locked’ in September