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Old 04-20-2023, 03:19 PM
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I believe that 4RS was originally sold by PNH. I recall seeing it (i remember it didn't have buckets) before delivery when dropping off a car for service. It's now used and they are selling for what they think is the market. They have done so for years. for trade in or sales back they offer wholesale price which other dealers do. Nothing unusual or special. I have gotten 2 GT cars from them for MSRP in the past. For the 992 3RS, they said they couldn't get me a car. I don't rate as a VIP.
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Old 04-20-2023, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Not sure what point you're trying to prove.
I have no problem whatsoever with a dealer trying to obtain a "market" rate.
I'm just pointing out that PNH employs the same "market" rate business strategy as dealers in CA.
USC Tone-Deaf tries to claim the contrary, but he's terribly mistaken.
That's all.

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Old 04-20-2023, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
I'm curious to learn how much BBQ I have to send them in order to make that $88,000 ADM disappear and I can buy at MSRP.
Someone here told me that they are an MSRP dealership and not a stealership.
I guess they were mistaken.
Yes for NEW cars they do, not used cars.
Old 04-20-2023, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
I don't know the story of that 4RS (I've seen it in person as I frequent PNH), but PNH is an amazing dealership.

They love Texas BBQ too
Yes they do but not as much as I love it since I only have it when I fly out to Texas.
Old 04-20-2023, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Ok so an Arkansas dealer built it and PNH likely traded for it to sell? Not sure what point you're trying to prove.
He has this belief that PNH is a stealer like his local NorCal stealers.
Old 04-20-2023, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
I have no problem whatsoever with a dealer trying to obtain a "market" rate.
I'm just pointing out that PNH employs the same "market" rate business strategy as dealers in CA.
There is not a Porsche store in the country that would not list a GT car for current market value that was traded back to them. My earlier point is they are an MSRP store for many clients and do not dealer spec GT car allocations for the highest bidder at arrival, like many stores do. In today's climate, they do it the right way, at least as I see it. With all the negative press for so many stores these days it is important to point out when a store does it the right way, and PNH is one of them.
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Old 04-20-2023, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
I have no problem whatsoever with a dealer trying to obtain a "market" rate.
I'm just pointing out that PNH employs the same "market" rate business strategy as dealers in CA.
USC Tone-Deaf tries to claim the contrary, but he's terribly mistaken.
That's all.
It's a USED car, they'll ask for market pricing on it. Let me repeat it for the 100th time....They sell their GT cars for MSRP to their good customers as stated by other PNH in this thread....so let it go.
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Old 04-20-2023, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
There is not a Porsche store in the country that would not list a GT car for current market value that was traded back to them. My earlier point is they are an MSRP store for many clients and do not dealer spec GT car allocations for the highest bidder at arrival, like many stores do. In today's climate, they do it the right way, at least as I see it. With all the negative press for so many stores these days it is important to point out when a store does it the right way, and PNH is one of them.
And PNH is not the only dealer like that in Texas and in middle America to sell their GT cars to good customers for MSRP as I've stated before.
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Old 04-20-2023, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
And PNH is not the only dealer like that in Texas and in middle America to sell their GT cars to good customers for MSRP as I've stated before.
The good ones deserve the praise as much as the bad ones deserve the ridicule
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Old 04-20-2023, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
He has this belief that PNH is a stealer like his local NorCal stealers.
You know I'm you're buddy, so I'm the right person to ask you this question: how is it stealing? Within the law, wouldn't a dealer and their employees want to maximize their profit and personal incomes over a chosen timeframe (this month, this year, next few years)?

I don't see how them being 'nice' or 'building relationships' comes into the picture, other than how it affects their bottom line. Selling cars is a very transactional business, not really a professional service nor something done for the 'greater good' like being a doctor or teacher. The only wrong ways to do the car business are those which land them in legal trouble or cause them to make less money. If people want to throw money at dealers to get their cabbage patch cars, no reason why the dealers shouldn't take that money.


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Old 04-20-2023, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
The good ones deserve the praise as much as the bad ones deserve the ridicule
Yeah, when I was over at PNH in October to see my Touring and Ace told me that anyone that flips their GT car privately or to another dealer is automatically black listed from ever getting another GT for MSRP.

Btw, I'll be there next month to see my GT4RS....you should come by for some Corkscrew BBQ.
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Old 04-20-2023, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
You know I'm you're buddy, so I'm the right person to ask you this question: how is it stealing? Within the law, wouldn't a dealer and their employees want to maximize their profit and personal incomes over a chosen timeframe (this month, this year, next few years)?

I don't see how them being 'nice' or 'building relationships' comes into the picture, other than how it affects their bottom line. Selling cars is a very transactional business, not really a professional service nor something done for the 'greater good' like being a doctor or teacher. The only wrong ways to do the car business are those which land them in legal trouble or cause them to make less money. If people want to throw money at dealers to get their cabbage patch cars, no reason why the dealers shouldn't take that money.
I call the dealers who spec GT cars for themselves and/or ***** out their GT cars to the high bidders because they don't place any value on building a relationship or play other kind of games and don't take care of their best customers. If there are dozes of dealers like PNH that do it the right way, the stealers can do it too. I wonder if any GT cars from the Bay Area stealers were sold for MSRP to their best customers (excluding 918 VIPs of course).
Old 04-20-2023, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I call the dealers who spec GT cars for themselves and/or ***** out their GT cars to the high bidders because they don't place any value on building a relationship or play other kind of games and don't take care of their best customers. If there are dozes of dealers like PNH that do it the right way, the stealers can do it too. I wonder if any GT cars from the Bay Area stealers were sold for MSRP to their best customers (excluding 918 VIPs of course).
But the dealers wouldn't do it that way if they didn't find that it was working for them financially. They're (mostly) not stupid and aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot. There's really no 'right' way to sell these cars as long as the demand far exceeds the supply - there are inevitably going to be a lot of unhappy campers, including some people who regret paying so much to get the cars.
Old 04-20-2023, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo Dude
I'm curious to learn how much BBQ I have to send them in order to make that $88,000 ADM disappear and I can buy at MSRP.
Someone here told me that they are an MSRP dealership and not a stealership.
I guess they were mistaken.
Well...figure about $26-$30/for a rack of BBQ ribs (in Los Angeles)...SO, to answer your question, about 3385 racks of BBQ ribs. Just sayin'....🤣
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Here's a nice, PTS flip on BAT. Love the color, great spec....

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...gt3-touring-2/

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