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it’s high MSRP build. They are asking 65-70 over . Maybe I can start half way and work my way up . I don’t need a GT3.
I have an AMG GTR and C8 . I just want to add one to my garage. I guess I can certainly wait it out .
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Exactly. No harm in lowballing. I see all cars dropping in price except real collectors cars like cgt or f40.
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A few years ago I walked into a Honda dealer and test drove a used 2017 civic type R. In the SF bay area some dealers were asking for crazy ADMs at the time. This dealer had been buying lightly used Type Rs from the middle of the country and selling them for way over MSRP here. After the test drive I sat down with the sales person and politely said I'll buy the car for a couple thousand under MSRP since I'd pay MSRP for new and this wasn't new. They took the number to the sales manager on the other side of the showroom. The sales manager stormed over, said something aggressive and looked like he wanted to punch me in the face. I bought a (new) Type R a few months later for MSRP from another California dealer 2 hours away.
I still feel there's no harm in "lowballing". I consider it just testing if they are reasonable.
I still feel there's no harm in "lowballing". I consider it just testing if they are reasonable.
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To whom it may concern,
Your company manufacturers some amazing sports cars. I’ve been fortunate to own a few pre-owned models and currently own a 991 GT3. I had hopes of success that would put me in a position to buy new someday. Financially this became feasible and I placed a deposit at the local dealer who serviced the cars. I was told of course that there is a list but that my opportunity would come if I formed a good relationship and was patient. This was 2017……my local dealer did not get enough 991.2 allocations so my deposit stayed on the books and I was told that I was #3 on the list. At the advice of a fellow Porsche owner and track day friend I reached out to some of the larger dealers in my state. Most either laughed at or ignored my calls, however one of the larger dealers took my deposit and placed me #5 on their list. I was very transparent that I didn’t need multiple cars but simply wanted an opportunity to buy a manual transmission NA 911. Fast forward through all the emails about supply chains, lack of allocations, production problems, etc. Earlier this year my small local dealer emailed to say that after 5 years they are returning my deposit because they only got 1 992 GT3 allocation. I was disappointed but understood. I was grateful to have placed the other deposit at the larger dealer who was still hoping to get me a copy. They had received 2, and they needed 2 more to get to my position. Today I was informed that they won’t be getting any more allocations. I understand and am not upset with the dealer for taking the deposit.
This brings me to my question for Porsche corporate. Do you have a desire to expand your customer base? Do you have so many customers that I should perhaps try and find a home with another brand? Could I have done something different to try and purchase one of your sports cars? I live in Wisconsin which appears to suffer in comparison to the larger cities. With that said Chicago dealers said they couldn’t sell outside of their market. I’ve invested time and money over the past 5 years, I’ve offered to by a SUV or othe Porsche product that I don’t need to gain favor in the eyes of the dealer……is it time to give up?
Happy Holidays!
Your company manufacturers some amazing sports cars. I’ve been fortunate to own a few pre-owned models and currently own a 991 GT3. I had hopes of success that would put me in a position to buy new someday. Financially this became feasible and I placed a deposit at the local dealer who serviced the cars. I was told of course that there is a list but that my opportunity would come if I formed a good relationship and was patient. This was 2017……my local dealer did not get enough 991.2 allocations so my deposit stayed on the books and I was told that I was #3 on the list. At the advice of a fellow Porsche owner and track day friend I reached out to some of the larger dealers in my state. Most either laughed at or ignored my calls, however one of the larger dealers took my deposit and placed me #5 on their list. I was very transparent that I didn’t need multiple cars but simply wanted an opportunity to buy a manual transmission NA 911. Fast forward through all the emails about supply chains, lack of allocations, production problems, etc. Earlier this year my small local dealer emailed to say that after 5 years they are returning my deposit because they only got 1 992 GT3 allocation. I was disappointed but understood. I was grateful to have placed the other deposit at the larger dealer who was still hoping to get me a copy. They had received 2, and they needed 2 more to get to my position. Today I was informed that they won’t be getting any more allocations. I understand and am not upset with the dealer for taking the deposit.
This brings me to my question for Porsche corporate. Do you have a desire to expand your customer base? Do you have so many customers that I should perhaps try and find a home with another brand? Could I have done something different to try and purchase one of your sports cars? I live in Wisconsin which appears to suffer in comparison to the larger cities. With that said Chicago dealers said they couldn’t sell outside of their market. I’ve invested time and money over the past 5 years, I’ve offered to by a SUV or othe Porsche product that I don’t need to gain favor in the eyes of the dealer……is it time to give up?
Happy Holidays!
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Those people are not really looking for cars.....they're looking for pricing and deals (that can't be had....)....so they look, and look, and call and call......chasing a deal that rarely IF EVER comes to pass.......then they miss out on this version of GT car, stop posting....and then when then next generation GT car is released, we get a whole new crew of poster newbies doing the same exact thing.....![bigbye](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/xyxwave.gif)
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The situation really sucks. It really shouldn’t be this hard. I do wonder if it’s truly supply constraint or is it more an artificial constraint to drive exclusivity like in the sneaker world. Hope it’s the former. And someone from corporate hangs out around here and reads your letter. Enthusiast like yourself are foundational to a strong lasting brand. Felt the passion. There has to be a better way. Good luck.
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Cirrusdriver (12-15-2022)
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Dear cirrusdriver,
Just buy a lightly used 991.2 gt3 at msrp and call it a day. Or wait few months for prices on 992 gt3 to settle. And trust me, it will come close to msrp despite what adm crowds are claiming (the usual supply chain rhetoric and p car will stop producing gt3 rhetoric. Obviously it will stop once gt3rs gets pumped out). In the end, gt3 is a run of the mill car and its not a collector grade car by any means. Once the next greatest and latest comes out, it drops in price.
This whole allocation nonsense is an artificial scarcity. Porsche can pump out gt3 but they want it to be like an hermes birkin/kelly where you have to buy a bunch of crap bags (macan/cayenne/panamera) to buy a gt3.
Just buy a lightly used 991.2 gt3 at msrp and call it a day. Or wait few months for prices on 992 gt3 to settle. And trust me, it will come close to msrp despite what adm crowds are claiming (the usual supply chain rhetoric and p car will stop producing gt3 rhetoric. Obviously it will stop once gt3rs gets pumped out). In the end, gt3 is a run of the mill car and its not a collector grade car by any means. Once the next greatest and latest comes out, it drops in price.
This whole allocation nonsense is an artificial scarcity. Porsche can pump out gt3 but they want it to be like an hermes birkin/kelly where you have to buy a bunch of crap bags (macan/cayenne/panamera) to buy a gt3.
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You guys remind me of folks that refuse to buy ammo when it’s cheap and there’s a glut in the system. But when there’s a peep about ammo bans, everyone rushes out to buy, screaming that everyone is gouging. Asking everyone, why don’t the manufacturers expand so they can meet demand?
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Buying a 911 GT car used to be like buying a Rolex GMT, hard to get but within reach … now it’s like buying a Nautilus where one wonders why PP even bothers having stores any more.
At some point the thing seems so unrealistic that it’s not worth trying.
At some point the thing seems so unrealistic that it’s not worth trying.
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Dear Santa I would like Porsche to cut out the middleman and sell direct to consumer. Existing dealerships could be places to service cars or sell preowned. Thanks.
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