HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991
07-10-2017, 07:44 PM
How is this car $128K MSRP with so few options? I don't get it. There's a 2012 C2S cab on the same page with twice as many options for only 4K more. Did the base price of a C2S cab go up between 2012 and 2015? It must have.
07-10-2017, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by squid42
How is Porsching down there? I might move to Houston. I figure I should give up on looking for a cab if I do?
07-10-2017, 08:00 PM
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07-10-2017, 10:05 PM
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2014 carrera S coupe
32k miles
MSRP- $118,860
Asking price- $74,900!
WP0AB2A95ES121139
Agate grey exterior with Black leather interior.
IMO, priced aggressively for a '14, albeit it's a non Porsche dealer.
Clean carfax.
Sport chrono, SportDesign steering, etc.
http://www.epicautosalestx.com/auto/...4-tx/20040717/
Car is fairly local to me, happy to go eyeball it and walk it.
32k miles
MSRP- $118,860
Asking price- $74,900!
WP0AB2A95ES121139
Agate grey exterior with Black leather interior.
IMO, priced aggressively for a '14, albeit it's a non Porsche dealer.
Clean carfax.
Sport chrono, SportDesign steering, etc.
http://www.epicautosalestx.com/auto/...4-tx/20040717/
Car is fairly local to me, happy to go eyeball it and walk it.
07-10-2017, 11:19 PM
Carmax has this low-mile grey C2S cab.
$16 / mile off MSRP
Premium plus with 14-way seats blah blah blah PDK+SC+paddles. Nice wheels.
Only downside is no full leather. Still, it pulls off a nice sporty interior look with all perforated leathers, SC and the sportdesign steering wheel.
https://www.carmax.com/car/14701018
VIN: WP0CB2A90FS154933
2,000 miles, $128,025 msrp, $32,027 loss, 74.98%
$16.01/mile, mile factor 0.237/10k
$1,130.11/month(p), age 2.4 years (28 months), factor 0.885/year, 847 miles/year (production)
$16 / mile off MSRP
Premium plus with 14-way seats blah blah blah PDK+SC+paddles. Nice wheels.
Only downside is no full leather. Still, it pulls off a nice sporty interior look with all perforated leathers, SC and the sportdesign steering wheel.
https://www.carmax.com/car/14701018
VIN: WP0CB2A90FS154933
2,000 miles, $128,025 msrp, $32,027 loss, 74.98%
$16.01/mile, mile factor 0.237/10k
$1,130.11/month(p), age 2.4 years (28 months), factor 0.885/year, 847 miles/year (production)
07-10-2017, 11:19 PM
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07-10-2017, 11:45 PM
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Another umber interior.
Good price for a c4s with no important options missing.
Spoiler seems to be stuck in the deployed position, though.
$79,900 @ 35,137 miles, down from $130,230 msrp
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=911
VIN: WP0AB2A99DS121563
35,137 miles, $130,230 msrp, $50,330 loss, 61.35%
$1.43/mile, mile factor 0.870/10k
$952.03/month(w), age 4.4 years (52 months), factor 0.895/year, 7,981 miles/year (warranty)
$895.25/month(p), age 4.7 years (56 months), factor 0.901/year, 7,504 miles/year (production)
Good price for a c4s with no important options missing.
Spoiler seems to be stuck in the deployed position, though.
$79,900 @ 35,137 miles, down from $130,230 msrp
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=911
VIN: WP0AB2A99DS121563
35,137 miles, $130,230 msrp, $50,330 loss, 61.35%
$1.43/mile, mile factor 0.870/10k
$952.03/month(w), age 4.4 years (52 months), factor 0.895/year, 7,981 miles/year (warranty)
$895.25/month(p), age 4.7 years (56 months), factor 0.901/year, 7,504 miles/year (production)
Prolific postings, thanks.
07-11-2017, 12:12 AM
Prices have been going up for us.
Showing "sale-ago" (how long ago from today was the sale) versus the agefactor for production date, and the age of the car at the point in time of sale.
Zooming in:
I messed around with a lot of splits in the data. All is flat, except that expensive options used to not bring much money back, but that options now deprecate about as much as the base car does. For example, for stereos:
Full leather vs. not:
Missing reasonable stereo:
As you can see, the new-car money that went into full leather or stereo used to have a worse return, but now the total deprecation is more even.
Showing "sale-ago" (how long ago from today was the sale) versus the agefactor for production date, and the age of the car at the point in time of sale.
Zooming in:
I messed around with a lot of splits in the data. All is flat, except that expensive options used to not bring much money back, but that options now deprecate about as much as the base car does. For example, for stereos:
Full leather vs. not:
Missing reasonable stereo:
As you can see, the new-car money that went into full leather or stereo used to have a worse return, but now the total deprecation is more even.
07-11-2017, 12:49 AM
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Somebody has too much time on their hands...
07-11-2017, 12:57 AM
14-way seats, premium package plus, most expensive wheels, PDK + SC. All multi-kilodollar items. And the cab is $12-$13k more expensive to boot.
07-11-2017, 08:37 AM
What confused me was that on the new build sheets (model year 2014+) the "additional equipment" list is condensed. Porsche used to list pretty much everything "smoking package", "passenger footwell lighting", etc. Options that didn't cost a thing. I suppose when buyers see a long list of options it makes them feel like they're getting a ton of upgrades. When in actuality they're either no cost options or part of an option they've already chosen (premium package plus for example).
I realize convertibles are more expensive than the coupe version (they are for any vehicle) but when I did my research in Jan-March 2017, there really wasn't a lot of price difference in the used car market. If none at all.
The biggest dilemma I had was whether to buy a 2013 with low miles or a 2014-2015 with higher miles for the same price. Yes, the age old debate. In the end I chose a 2013 with 5K miles. I'm sure others have a different opinion on this. A newer model year vehicle will have a higher resale value (regardless of milage) than an older model year vehicle. But then a vehicle with low miles "should" have less wear and tear and not need tires for a few years. Yeah, good luck with that, right!
Food for thought
I realize convertibles are more expensive than the coupe version (they are for any vehicle) but when I did my research in Jan-March 2017, there really wasn't a lot of price difference in the used car market. If none at all.
The biggest dilemma I had was whether to buy a 2013 with low miles or a 2014-2015 with higher miles for the same price. Yes, the age old debate. In the end I chose a 2013 with 5K miles. I'm sure others have a different opinion on this. A newer model year vehicle will have a higher resale value (regardless of milage) than an older model year vehicle. But then a vehicle with low miles "should" have less wear and tear and not need tires for a few years. Yeah, good luck with that, right!
Food for thought
07-11-2017, 08:44 AM
What confused me was that on the new build sheets (model year 2014+) the "additional equipment" list is condensed. Porsche used to list pretty much everything "smoking package", "passenger footwell lighting", etc. Options that didn't cost a thing. I suppose when buyers see a long list of options it makes them feel like they're getting a ton of upgrades. When in actuality they're either no cost options or part of an option they've already chosen (premium package plus for example).
I realize convertibles are more expensive than the coupe version (they are for any vehicle) but when I did my research in Jan-March 2017, there really wasn't a lot of price difference in the used car market. If none at all.
I realize convertibles are more expensive than the coupe version (they are for any vehicle) but when I did my research in Jan-March 2017, there really wasn't a lot of price difference in the used car market. If none at all.
I treat being-convertible mostly as an option, an option with low resell value.
The biggest dilemma I had was whether to buy a 2013 with low miles or a 2014-2015 with higher miles for the same price. Yes, the age old debate. In the end I chose a 2013 with 5K miles. I'm sure others have a different opinion on this. A newer model year vehicle will have a higher resale value (regardless of milage) than an older model year vehicle. But then a vehicle with low miles "should" have less wear and tear and not need tires for a few years. Yeah, good luck with that, right!
Food for thought
07-11-2017, 10:30 AM
Miles vs age
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You can clearly see that the Germans put a lot more weight on the age of the car, Americans on the miles.
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Of course the above also means that you cannot avoid bad resale in the US when you put on lots of miles yourself, whereas no matter how much of a garage queen you make of your German Porsche the value evaporates.
You can clearly see that the Germans put a lot more weight on the age of the car, Americans on the miles.
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Of course the above also means that you cannot avoid bad resale in the US when you put on lots of miles yourself, whereas no matter how much of a garage queen you make of your German Porsche the value evaporates.
Great summary... I am Spanish and have the same "age bias", so I guess it is an "Europe vs US" thing...
I don't know if things are different now and it has been a while since I don't own an "older" (i.e 10 yr old or more) car, but back in the day plastics / rubbers and adhesives were sure to fail with time, and the effect of that on the interiors was terrible...
I guess the reliability of older motors with time was not great either, whereas newer engines would take high mileages with relatively good sportsmanship...
What I don't know if there were differences between US cars and European cars that used to justify the two different perceptions...
07-11-2017, 10:45 AM
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Been following this thread for some time but am unsure on the answer to this - am I allowed to list my 991.1 for sale in this thread? Would appreciate input on pricing and would love to see it go to a RL member. Cheers.
