thegoatfarmer

Thank you for your opinions on the F80/87. The auto journalist community really sing high praises of the M2 vs. the M3, but you are right, the M3 is a lot more car for the money at todays prices. I’ve driven an F87 and enjoyed it, but need to get some seat time in a F80. I’ll be going into either knowing they won’t be anywhere on the same level of precision and sound as a modern NA P-car, but it will be an experience to enjoy while I wait for the PCar market to cool a bit...

I need to respectfully disagree on 997.2/991.1 valuations. While the 997.2 depreciation curve may have flattened out and begun rising, what we saw in the last year does not follow the general trend line. I purchased my 50K mile 981CS in April 2018. At the same time, I was cross shopping a 997.2 C4 with the same mileage. Both MT’s, and both were priced at a hair north of $40K. A similar 997.2 Base (C2 or C4) would be closer to $50K today. That’s 25% appreciation in about 1.5 years!

I think once the pandemic is sufficiently behind us, and general used car demand wains vs. the all time highs we’re seeing today, prices will come down to the tune of 10% or more vs. what we’re seeing today on the 997.2/991’s. The stop sale on the 991.1’s with Sport Chrono is further complicating things.

mic_crispy

Its also worth noting that i was not a fan of the MT on the F80 at all . Just didnt seem to suite the engine that well, ontop of being a vague box. If you go that direction, i suggest a DCT.

Re: 991/997. You could be right, but i really do think NA MT 3.8's will hold strong for a while. could be wishful thinking on my part though as i plan on keeping mine until the very second i can afford a GT3 MT.

Sub

I've owned ~15 affordable sports cars in my time, from high HP Vettes and my ZL1 to various M3's and BMW's, Z3, s2000, JCW Mini, GTI, STI, Audi tt, 350z... those sorts of cars. Nothing too exotic, but all decent and fun. There are very few cars to cross shop that I haven't already experienced.. I'm just looking for something new to explore. I'd like something with a backseat, even if its little, and I've totally given up on finding a manual car which opens up some options. I was looking at a Alfa Quadrifoglio because it looks like fun and sounds great, but have no dealer close, a c63amg for many of the same reasons, but not really a Mercedes fan... maybe a challenger or charger, but I already own a new ZL1 and that's pretty close to those cars in spirit and I don't need excessive horsepower or good handling really.

If you are budget conscious, its very hard to rationalize the 911 at $60K.. for that money you can get an in warranty (not that you'll need it) Camaro ZL1 that supersedes the 911 in nearly every way. If you haven't driven one, before you speak out, remove all preconceived hoity-toity biases and go drive one. Its an amazing automobile by any measure. It has all the creature comforts of a M3 with tons more power than a 911, a real man's soundtrack, an great alcantara interior and stereo, and real road handling prowess, all for less money. The ZL1 is a unicorn of a car and should be on every car enthusiast's cross-shopper's short list. I would definitely not straight trade in my ZL1 on a 911 - and if I add a 911 to the stable, which is the plan, the zl1 still gets the garage spot.

jazz11man1

Me as well. I've been looking for a MT 991.1 for nearly a year. I've been hoping that the prices start to go back to normal soon, but it looks like it won't be soon enough. I'm considering an M3 instead.

thelampire

After reading all the comments on the M2 and M3 i decided to take a look at them again. There is just no way I would get either of them instead of a 991.1 C2 MT. I rather dream about the P-car, and have no sports car in my garage. Although, it's very tempting, one can get a 2020 BMW M2C MT for 55kUSD with practically zero mileage.

vincenz0

The current prices are just nuts. I call it the covid-19 effect. As mentioned earlier, total seller's market right now. It'll come back down to earth eventually. I'm feeling very fortunate / lucky to have bought my 991.1S two years ago now.

FlyDL757

I bought an M5...talk about power. Almost too much...

Thinc2

Really interesting analysis of 991 prices :

ZainK95

That guy is so annoying,

His videos are too long for the info

I don't even thing he has sold comps he just looks on autotrader,cars,etc
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thelampire

I think the analysis he has done is ok, but he neglected some important things like accident history on carfax and the options (or MSRP) on the car. I think these influence the price quite a lot.

Edit: grammar error

ZainK95

Agreed

Thinc2

Certainly valid point, but I appreciate the data he has pulled together and the resulting analysis. Aggregated data like this isn't readily available (that i know of), so I found it quite interesting.

thelampire

The BaT auction history can be quite insightful I think: https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/991-911/

Furrry

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

Not a bad price...!

Wing Commander

May be the lighting, but that car looks pretty light in colour for Agate Grey? 🤔