GT3 Dealer Allocation Thread
04-05-2017, 03:29 PM
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Champion is still the #1 volume dealer in North America.
Top 5 list changes all the time, they go monthly and quarterly.
Haven't checked it for awhile, for a time last year it was:
Champion, Beverly Hills, South Bay, Newport Beach, Manhattan
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04-05-2017, 03:33 PM
#1202
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So top 5 or so
Champion - FL
Beverly Hills - CA
South Bay - CA
Newport Beach - CA
Manhattan - NYC
Combined imagine the # of GT allocations?
All look like "market adjustment" dealers?
Champion - FL
Beverly Hills - CA
South Bay - CA
Newport Beach - CA
Manhattan - NYC
Combined imagine the # of GT allocations?
All look like "market adjustment" dealers?
04-05-2017, 03:37 PM
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04-05-2017, 03:41 PM
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04-05-2017, 03:48 PM
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04-05-2017, 03:49 PM
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04-05-2017, 03:54 PM
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04-05-2017, 04:01 PM
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04-05-2017, 04:01 PM
#1210
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
True, but on the flip side, that might be the reaction they're getting a few months from now when nobody bites on the premium and they have to ride the price curve downward. I'm very curious to see if anyone if actually paying these premiums.
I think $25K will be on the top end now of what many would be willing to pay. The $50K is a pipe dream. Now, you'll get the flippers that get in for MSRP to $15K, who then will try and flip for more when they hit the ground.
If everyone refused to play the games now, that would be priceless. Have them squirm.
04-05-2017, 04:22 PM
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The statistics for resale of 991.1 GT3 with LWB is not enough to gather an accurate information as many of you know, since the seats were only available during the ladder half of the production.
However, it is extremely apparent in the GT4. Yes, GT3 and GT4 are not identical cars, and the buyers are slightly different and may use it for different purposes.
When a buyer calls to try to buy a used GT4 or new GT4, one of the one first thing most buyer ask is that if it has the bucket seats. Out of all the options, having PCCB or not, having full leather or not, Nav, color, etc, LWB is an extreme in terms of people's acceptance on buying a GT4. Most people after thinking can possibly overlook brakes, colors, leather. But too many buyers expressed complete uninterest after knowing its not LWB. As many of you from planet9 forum knows, a lot of members end up buying the second GT4 because they couldn't get the first GT4 in LWBs.
Therefore, its causing an 8-10k difference in average transaction price. Not listing prices, but actual sales transactions, Mannheim auctions, and Pacific auto auctions. Partially this is also due to the scarcity of the part in the first half of the GT4 production, which is going to happen next year or 2019 as well. GT2RS, GT3RS, GT4RS will all get the hierarchy of LWB supplies before GT3, which is why it was almost impossible to get LWB in boxster spyders ( 918 -> saving parts for 911R -> GT3RS -> GT4 -> Boxster Spyder).
Personally I love driving the LWB as daily and on the road, but its each to their own. If you are going to drive it a lot, then really you should buy what you like more. It should be comfortable for you to sit in for an hour to two.
However, it is extremely apparent in the GT4. Yes, GT3 and GT4 are not identical cars, and the buyers are slightly different and may use it for different purposes.
When a buyer calls to try to buy a used GT4 or new GT4, one of the one first thing most buyer ask is that if it has the bucket seats. Out of all the options, having PCCB or not, having full leather or not, Nav, color, etc, LWB is an extreme in terms of people's acceptance on buying a GT4. Most people after thinking can possibly overlook brakes, colors, leather. But too many buyers expressed complete uninterest after knowing its not LWB. As many of you from planet9 forum knows, a lot of members end up buying the second GT4 because they couldn't get the first GT4 in LWBs.
Therefore, its causing an 8-10k difference in average transaction price. Not listing prices, but actual sales transactions, Mannheim auctions, and Pacific auto auctions. Partially this is also due to the scarcity of the part in the first half of the GT4 production, which is going to happen next year or 2019 as well. GT2RS, GT3RS, GT4RS will all get the hierarchy of LWB supplies before GT3, which is why it was almost impossible to get LWB in boxster spyders ( 918 -> saving parts for 911R -> GT3RS -> GT4 -> Boxster Spyder).
Personally I love driving the LWB as daily and on the road, but its each to their own. If you are going to drive it a lot, then really you should buy what you like more. It should be comfortable for you to sit in for an hour to two.
I've always wanted to buy a new Porsche 911 and spec it the way I want. I'm finally in the position in my life, and lo and behold, they make all the non "turbo" cars turbo! UGH. I'd have probably been fine with an S or a GTS, but not now. I still want to spec a Porsche 911 from new, but NA and manual are requirements. It's not a track car, just a sporting car for spirited street driving... and since I can't get what I want in a normal 911, I'm going the GT3 route. Not that that's a bad thing, as the 4.0L and more visceral feel of the GT3 vs say, an S, would be very welcome to me. But I just *don't* want a turbocharged Porsche, even if it's a Turbo or Turbo S.
That all being said, and knowing what I will use the car for, it makes sense for me to spec it close to what I really want, which is closer to a 911 with the luxuries - leather dash, bose, 18 ways, leather steering column... probably a ton of crap your historical "GT" buyer doesn't care for. But what about your enthusiasts who want a 911 but feel the same as I do? That they want a naturally aspirated 911 for street cruising with a manual... with as many of the luxuries the GT3 can have.
It's because there's no other way to get a 911 with a naturally aspirated engine outside of the GT cars anymore that I think 18 ways or other luxuries could really start having a market on these cars. Regardless, I'm probably getting the 18 ways because I'll be spending hours and hours in the car and want to be comfortable. I imagine there are other that feel like I do and will want the car for similar reasons. Track junkies are going to want the PDK anyways. I think maybe PDK cars with sofa seats will be hard to sell, but manuals with sofas... perhaps not as much.
Anyways, just wanted to share a bit of my perspective on why I'm getting the GT3 and why I'm nearly certain I'll be getting the 18 ways.
04-05-2017, 04:50 PM
#1214
Got a call from my dealership that I received my PTS allocation. Going in tomorrow AM to do final specs. Will follow up with build date then. Very excited 
And yes at MSRP!
And yes at MSRP!
04-05-2017, 05:01 PM
#1215
Wow, thank you very much for the insight. I'm nearly certain I'm going to get the 18 ways on my GT3, and I wanted to share why to see if anyone else feels the same way or see if you agree with some of my logic.
I've always wanted to buy a new Porsche 911 and spec it the way I want. I'm finally in the position in my life, and lo and behold, they make all the non "turbo" cars turbo! UGH. I'd have probably been fine with an S or a GTS, but not now. I still want to spec a Porsche 911 from new, but NA and manual are requirements. It's not a track car, just a sporting car for spirited street driving... and since I can't get what I want in a normal 911, I'm going the GT3 route. Not that that's a bad thing, as the 4.0L and more visceral feel of the GT3 vs say, an S, would be very welcome to me. But I just *don't* want a turbocharged Porsche, even if it's a Turbo or Turbo S.
That all being said, and knowing what I will use the car for, it makes sense for me to spec it close to what I really want, which is closer to a 911 with the luxuries - leather dash, bose, 18 ways, leather steering column... probably a ton of crap your historical "GT" buyer doesn't care for. But what about your enthusiasts who want a 911 but feel the same as I do? That they want a naturally aspirated 911 for street cruising with a manual... with as many of the luxuries the GT3 can have.
It's because there's no other way to get a 911 with a naturally aspirated engine outside of the GT cars anymore that I think 18 ways or other luxuries could really start having a market on these cars. Regardless, I'm probably getting the 18 ways because I'll be spending hours and hours in the car and want to be comfortable. I imagine there are other that feel like I do and will want the car for similar reasons. Track junkies are going to want the PDK anyways. I think maybe PDK cars with sofa seats will be hard to sell, but manuals with sofas... perhaps not as much.
Anyways, just wanted to share a bit of my perspective on why I'm getting the GT3 and why I'm nearly certain I'll be getting the 18 ways.
I've always wanted to buy a new Porsche 911 and spec it the way I want. I'm finally in the position in my life, and lo and behold, they make all the non "turbo" cars turbo! UGH. I'd have probably been fine with an S or a GTS, but not now. I still want to spec a Porsche 911 from new, but NA and manual are requirements. It's not a track car, just a sporting car for spirited street driving... and since I can't get what I want in a normal 911, I'm going the GT3 route. Not that that's a bad thing, as the 4.0L and more visceral feel of the GT3 vs say, an S, would be very welcome to me. But I just *don't* want a turbocharged Porsche, even if it's a Turbo or Turbo S.
That all being said, and knowing what I will use the car for, it makes sense for me to spec it close to what I really want, which is closer to a 911 with the luxuries - leather dash, bose, 18 ways, leather steering column... probably a ton of crap your historical "GT" buyer doesn't care for. But what about your enthusiasts who want a 911 but feel the same as I do? That they want a naturally aspirated 911 for street cruising with a manual... with as many of the luxuries the GT3 can have.
It's because there's no other way to get a 911 with a naturally aspirated engine outside of the GT cars anymore that I think 18 ways or other luxuries could really start having a market on these cars. Regardless, I'm probably getting the 18 ways because I'll be spending hours and hours in the car and want to be comfortable. I imagine there are other that feel like I do and will want the car for similar reasons. Track junkies are going to want the PDK anyways. I think maybe PDK cars with sofa seats will be hard to sell, but manuals with sofas... perhaps not as much.
Anyways, just wanted to share a bit of my perspective on why I'm getting the GT3 and why I'm nearly certain I'll be getting the 18 ways.
