GT3 Dealer Allocation Thread
04-06-2017, 12:29 PM
#1261
Burning Brakes
04-06-2017, 12:36 PM
#1262
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04-06-2017, 12:37 PM
#1263
Clearly opinions on exterior colors are subjective. That said, anyone that chooses chalk for is/her GT3 should have their head examined. It's just a horrible color for a sport car particularly the 911. I would urge anyone considering that color to see it in person on a 911.
04-06-2017, 12:56 PM
#1264
I still truly believe that Porsche makes enough for demand minus one. They are masters at it. Think about it. How much whining do you hear about not getting an allocation once the cars are at the end of production? In the beginning everyone said there wouldn't be enough GT4s, yet everyone I know that truly wanted one, got one. Even the 991RS. My buddy just turned down a new RS at msrp at a NorCal dealer. Supply is artificially limited by flippers and greedy dealers holding onto allocations in search of the big sucker. A list is just a list. Not indicative of actual demand. People are on multiple lists and many back out once it comes down to signing the paperwork. For the 991, I was number 17 and ended up being called as number 6 half way into production. I got offers from 2 other places at msrp at the same time.
A deposit gets you in line. First come, first serve. People with a prior history could potentially get higher up on the list, using a point system like CJ uses. Once the flippers and dealers restricting supply are taken out, the process gets a lot more simple.
A deposit gets you in line. First come, first serve. People with a prior history could potentially get higher up on the list, using a point system like CJ uses. Once the flippers and dealers restricting supply are taken out, the process gets a lot more simple.
First come first serve doesn't work well either. What would happen is people would all try to get in line about 3 years and just randomly speculate what car will be produced and put their name down for the next 5 years.
Even my LT I got at MSRP, because they knew my large presence online - both going to C&C's and being on track. That and I tend to spec nice looking cars which get a lot of social media exposure.
I think the allocation systems need to be more opaque. CJ's my friend and he's really got a great system and I applaud that. I also think that a nonrefundable deposit is needed - a large one. Make sure the people getting on the list are actually going to pay... so there's no inflated lists.
Long post - but having been through this for McLarens and Porsches I've gotten a little cynical about it.
04-06-2017, 01:05 PM
#1265
I am sickened by what I am hearing and seeing... Dealers asking for premiums over msrp on new untitled Porsches is horrible for the brand and ultimately will come back to hurt them in an economic downturn. Ferrari the king of premium pricing will not allow a dealer to sell an untitled new car for over MSRP. That is how it should be. Used cars may have a different value (up or down based on supply-demand) but new cars should be sold at MSRP especially to those customers that have supported those very dealerships with service revenue! My 2c worth!
No different these days with McLaren either. I had to sell my 12C through McLaren as well as be very active on social media - which is fine, I love my 675LT. But there's always a price to pay to get an allocation with Ferrari, and now McLaren.
04-06-2017, 01:06 PM
#1266
I am having trouble understanding why everyone is so upset. If you get the car at the price you want, buy it, if not, don't buy it.
There are many options that are available. I love Porsches, my first car was a Porsche, but there is a limit for everything(imho).
The other thing is that I am seeing a lot of first time buyers of GT cars and Porsches complaining. If anyone deserves a car at MSRP, it's those that have been buying them all along.
The car world is cyclical, everyone should take a deep breath. Many manufacturers are testing the limits of consumers right now.
There are many options that are available. I love Porsches, my first car was a Porsche, but there is a limit for everything(imho).
The other thing is that I am seeing a lot of first time buyers of GT cars and Porsches complaining. If anyone deserves a car at MSRP, it's those that have been buying them all along.
The car world is cyclical, everyone should take a deep breath. Many manufacturers are testing the limits of consumers right now.
04-06-2017, 01:12 PM
#1267
Honestly it's a car.. while it may stir up passions.. paying over MSRP is just plain dumb. If canadian dealers charged over for new cars I would never buy again. I would simply move on.. you guys in the US seem to crave the newest and greatest and that "must have it now" attitude is not benefiting you at all.
Now if you're extremely wealthy, I guess you may not care.. but the people of wealth that I know would never pay over.. Maybe their kids, but not them.
Now if you're extremely wealthy, I guess you may not care.. but the people of wealth that I know would never pay over.. Maybe their kids, but not them.
04-06-2017, 01:16 PM
#1268
fabe32, while I think you got the volume boning plan (especially on a Cayenne Diesel at close to MSRP...) it's your money and you shouldn't care what anyone else thinks. You simply paid $55k for the right to drive a GT car for about 3 years and then get the opportunity to pay sticker for your dream car. And when you factor in the value of driving the cars in the interim, the premium on the RS won't be all that much at the end of the day.
Again, I don't advocate markups. I just won't haze people who pay them.
04-06-2017, 01:22 PM
#1269
I would like to clear this up once and for all. I don't work for Porsche or any dealer, any reseller, and I don't work for the auto industry.
Though I won't post purchase contracts online, I will gladly show it to RL members on the next meet/track days. I've met a lot of you, and some of you guys know me already but you guys just don't realize it. As I said before, I am not new to the forum, I am the 7 year RL member. Its how I provide you with information, and time will tell about the accuracy of my information. For example, you will see soon that the 911 will get a brand new color: a pearlescent color as non-PTS standard special color.
Your intent to not ridicule, insult, or inform in a not so gentle way is driving people away. I am super surprised he still replied with positivity. Because over the years I have already seen too many cases where new GT owners post on here once and never again. The forum has become some peer pressured about buying at MSRP that I am almost 100% positive that a lot of members here bought it at 5-15k over and have never admit it due to the feedback they might get.
And it really does sound like bragging every time someone said they bought it at over MSRP, someone else replies I bought all these cars at MSRP with no problem, and then point out its at an ultra high demand region (to further point out they're not in the Midwest or something), which is why I said why I said to get a taste of your own medicine. And its true but I really rather not have said it.
I just wish this place to really be positive about sharing experience. You may not like it, or condone it, but you don't have to get in people's faces. They may be able to share with you invaluable information down the line that you won't know. As for helping, I don't think the use of a "parenting" educating tactic is the right way. You guys all could've suggested him how to approach it next time in a better way imo.
Though I won't post purchase contracts online, I will gladly show it to RL members on the next meet/track days. I've met a lot of you, and some of you guys know me already but you guys just don't realize it. As I said before, I am not new to the forum, I am the 7 year RL member. Its how I provide you with information, and time will tell about the accuracy of my information. For example, you will see soon that the 911 will get a brand new color: a pearlescent color as non-PTS standard special color.
Your intent to not ridicule, insult, or inform in a not so gentle way is driving people away. I am super surprised he still replied with positivity. Because over the years I have already seen too many cases where new GT owners post on here once and never again. The forum has become some peer pressured about buying at MSRP that I am almost 100% positive that a lot of members here bought it at 5-15k over and have never admit it due to the feedback they might get.
And it really does sound like bragging every time someone said they bought it at over MSRP, someone else replies I bought all these cars at MSRP with no problem, and then point out its at an ultra high demand region (to further point out they're not in the Midwest or something), which is why I said why I said to get a taste of your own medicine. And its true but I really rather not have said it.
I just wish this place to really be positive about sharing experience. You may not like it, or condone it, but you don't have to get in people's faces. They may be able to share with you invaluable information down the line that you won't know. As for helping, I don't think the use of a "parenting" educating tactic is the right way. You guys all could've suggested him how to approach it next time in a better way imo.
If you never met someone and meet them in real life and say, "you're a dumbass for doing that" it's unlikely you'd be socially acceptable. For all the times someone has said that to me online, I've seen 0 people do that to me to my face. Not that I'm a threatening person - when they meet me they understand my sincerity and how helpful I am to people who aren't familiar with car meets, track events, etc.
The problem is that we need to hear more from people paying over MSRP and why. We need to see how many people are doing so - to get an idea where us non-markup payers stand.
Being unwelcoming, and shouting people away from the forum and then saying they have no thick skin is not a way to get the best discussion.
04-06-2017, 01:28 PM
#1270
Yeah I've never been a fan of Carlsen. They benefit that they sit in Silicon Valley and a lot of non-informed buyers walk in and buy their cars.
04-06-2017, 01:37 PM
#1271
Just saw this. If this is true, please PM me the dealer. I thought I knew all the RS's that were in inventory up here and none of them were being offered at MSRP. If there is one out there, I'd be interested in knowing.
04-06-2017, 01:51 PM
#1272
Guess I did see one with a salvage title.
04-06-2017, 01:56 PM
#1273
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I guess I shouldn't be worried that much just yet, since I want to do a ED for next late spring season...
I have a question.
Since this is the first time a GT3 is offered with both PDK and manual, what do you think the used market will do down the road, seems to me that a huge percentage (maybe over 90%) of the total of all GT3s will be manual.
Do you think in the used car market the PDK will have more value in the long run, especially when all the previous gens were all manuals as well.
I have a question.
Since this is the first time a GT3 is offered with both PDK and manual, what do you think the used market will do down the road, seems to me that a huge percentage (maybe over 90%) of the total of all GT3s will be manual.
Do you think in the used car market the PDK will have more value in the long run, especially when all the previous gens were all manuals as well.
04-06-2017, 03:06 PM
#1274
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I guess I shouldn't be worried that much just yet, since I want to do a ED for next late spring season...
I have a question.
Since this is the first time a GT3 is offered with both PDK and manual, what do you think the used market will do down the road, seems to me that a huge percentage (maybe over 90%) of the total of all GT3s will be manual.
Do you think in the used car market the PDK will have more value in the long run, especially when all the previous gens were all manuals as well.
I have a question.
Since this is the first time a GT3 is offered with both PDK and manual, what do you think the used market will do down the road, seems to me that a huge percentage (maybe over 90%) of the total of all GT3s will be manual.
Do you think in the used car market the PDK will have more value in the long run, especially when all the previous gens were all manuals as well.
04-06-2017, 03:37 PM
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