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Old 08-12-2019, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
All turbos, even modern turbo cars have lag that is annoying to me other than the 488.

Driven recent turbo Mercedes, BMW, Mclaren, Porsche. Lag is less than it used to be for sure, but still noticeable and annoying to me.

GTR has lag. Or at least it did when I drive one In February.
The thing is, i don’t think it is just the lag that bothers me. The way the power is delivered almost feels fake to me. It just doesn’t feel natural.
Old 08-12-2019, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
Coup looks better save 50k(:
I’m fairly confident the 200 mile (yes two hundred) Sapphire Black 675LT Spider in Chicago can be had for around $250k. Probably not less than low $250s

Sapphire Black is like metallic midnight blue. Just like the BMW M color carbon Black Metallic.

Tremendous deal.

If one wants more of an attention getter, Dallas has a Napier green 675LT spider that’s certified preowned that I am also confident can be had in the $250s

Napier green is without question one of the all time best McLaren colors. Not for those looking to be discreet, though.
Old 08-12-2019, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nolocontendere
I’m fairly confident the 200 mile (yes two hundred) Sapphire Black 675LT Spider in Chicago can be had for around $250k. Probably not less than low $250s

Sapphire Black is like metallic midnight blue. Just like the BMW M color carbon Black Metallic.

Tremendous deal.

If one wants more of an attention getter, Dallas has a Napier green 675LT spider that’s certified preowned that I am also confident can be had in the $250s

Napier green is without question one of the all time best McLaren colors. Not for those looking to be discreet, though.
I looked at both those cars and loved Chicane grey and it had a leather dash is what I wanted. The Napier green looks really cool and special order.
Old 08-12-2019, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Maverick787
I looked at both those cars and loved Chicane grey and it had a leather dash is what I wanted. The Napier green looks really cool and special order.
I love chicane grey and if I ever got a coupe I would get one, especially with orange calipers and seats. There are several nice Chicane coupes out there. I think $220-230 is the right price right now for a low mile reasonably optioned coupe. $240 with fender louvers (coupe). Maybe I am overly optimistic re pricing, but I think these targets are doable.

I also expect the pricing to rebound once more people pick these cars off and folks realize how special they really are.
Old 08-12-2019, 10:37 PM
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Looks like the final ZR1 was built a week ago. A total of 2,895 were built, of which less than 900 were manuals. Not that any of that resale bs matters. I am going to rack up the miles on this sucker, limited production or not.
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Originally Posted by nolocontendere
I love chicane grey and if I ever got a coupe I would get one, especially with orange calipers and seats. There are several nice Chicane coupes out there. I think $220-230 is the right price right now for a low mile reasonably optioned coupe. $240 with fender louvers (coupe). Maybe I am overly optimistic re pricing, but I think these targets are doable.

I also expect the pricing to rebound once more people pick these cars off and folks realize how special they really are.
Most dealers are in the car for 240k pending spec ....some are north of 405k
Old 08-13-2019, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
A very good read on the "driving a fast car slow" conundrum, specifically related to mclarens but related to many powerful cars (and probably why a manual NA GT3 with 500hp remains "peak road car" for me)

http://www.speedhunters.com/2019/08/...tion-followed/

I honestly believe that a proper driving experience consists of three critical pillars; the first being power balance, the second being handling, and the third being driver feel and/or feedback. Most will argue that the 600LT does all three of these, and performs well doing so. But I'd argue that though that may be true on the track, it's almost too much for a road car.
I agree with the article and would even go further to suggest that a car could also have too much power and grip to be fully enjoyed at the track as well. The author seemed to be a track beginner so he probably needs more track/race experience to arrive at this conclusion himself.

I’ve said this elsewhere, my recently acquired 987 Boxster S may easily be the best car for my backroads, at any price:


I need more than my 996 GT3’s 380hp like a need a bullet to my head. So it remains the “peak road car” for me.
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Old 08-13-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Waxer
The more I look at Mac the more I want one. I was always a fan (contrary to what some think here) but do have my concerns.

Im 60 now. I have a 5 year retirement plan and dropping another $250k puts a dent in the plan. Love the 3RS. Drove it a lot yesterday. Amazing machine and the sound is epic. Even made the wife smile.

Watching 675LT vids. Wow. Love it. It would have to replace my FGT. Which is the RS stable mate for me along with “Charlotte”. Not sure I could part with the FGT ((Princess). Owned it 15 years and still love it.

Pondering in NJ.

Your Spyder is a MUCH better backroads car than any McLaren or any other supercar for that matter. I wouldn’t replace it. But if you decide to get rid of it, PM me the specs and price.
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Originally Posted by hf1
Your Spyder is a MUCH better backroads car than any McLaren or any other supercar for that matter. I wouldn’t replace it. But if you decide to get rid of it, PM me the specs and price.
You should add "in my opinion"...

Many people's opinions would differ...
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Originally Posted by yesyoucan
You should add "in my opinion"...

Many people's opinions would differ...
+1. And it's a ridiculous opinion.
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Originally Posted by yesyoucan
You should add "in my opinion"...

Many people's opinions would differ...
Whose opinion did you think I was presenting?
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Originally Posted by yesyoucan
You should add "in my opinion"...

Many people's opinions would differ...
In that case everyone should add that at the beginning of each post, because we are all expressing our opinions here. But we don't need to, because it's implied and accepted as such by definition of our participation in a "forum" .. which if you ever studied Latin you'd understand to be...

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Old 08-13-2019, 08:34 PM
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The issue is when people assert opinion as fact without a reasonable basis for the opinion. I have no issue with someone believing car XXX is better than mclaren YYY as long as they have actually driven both.

As soon as I drove a mclaren for the first time I had to have one. Completely lost all interest in my Carrera.

Now the GT3RS, that's a different story.
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Originally Posted by nolocontendere
The issue is when people assert opinion as fact without a reasonable basis for the opinion. I have no issue with someone believing car XXX is better than mclaren YYY as long as they have actually driven both.

As soon as I drove a mclaren for the first time I had to have one. Completely lost all interest in my Carrera.

Now the GT3RS, that's a different story.
It's your problem if you view opinions as "facts". I've driven McLarens and plenty other >500hp cars. Horses for courses, tools for the job...
Old 08-13-2019, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by robmypro
The thing about the supercharger is that it is linear. That makes a huge difference. I never once even thought about FI while driving that Z06. The sound was really good too. And those two facts pretty much eliminate turbo engines for me.

I agree - i hate all turbos to include the Ferrari F40 (sounds terrible and drives like crap), the 288 GTO, all Mclaren's ever built (including the 600LT, 675LT and the Senna), the new Ferrari Stradale phhh, and all modern 8 cylinder Ferrari's (all going Turbo), the Gt2RS, 959. Actually come to think of it - i like all those cars..

Never mind..........................
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