Kobalt

Neat!

So you can do that yourself?

Need to remove wheels?

How long does that take?

Nur93

Yes, its done easy like 30min if you did it before. In BMW data they set 1h For the work.

Now its done by manthey / Raeder and as BMW chassie guru who did the record Nur lap has put his 2 best overal setting in the GTS track book that come with car. Its just to klick that rebound/compression as manual say. Then take cars tool to lower /hightening it. On a lift its faster than if to lift on side up and then the next.

Best is no need For alignment after you do up or down.
Chassie guru got One setting For the overal modern flat track. And One For steet, wich is also For Nurburgring. Other than that its 2500 settings to go For, but hey I will do fine on them 2. Then after a while schirmer will sett it to go with my personal drivingstyle.

ShakeNBake

If you watch their other videos, they say the 991.2 is faster and better to drive that a 991GT3....so, take it with a grain of salt.

Macca

Nur93. I understand what you say completely.

And it also can be other way around. Everyone say Audi/Porsche RS2 is Wunderbar. I buy the car 5 years after it is launched and I find it a pig. So much lag, so wooden steering, so little tyre feedback through corners (tyres were too wide for runs and always felt unnatural when cornering hi speed). I sold it after 1 year as my daily driver. Didn't get I. With it at all.

I also find my 993RS is not the magic carpet everyone days. For the road the Carrera 2 with Bilstien PSS10 was a better car. Just a quick but hold the road much better, less skipping and easier/safer to pilot fast. In the track different matter but C2 could be made to beat RS with surprisingly few changes. RS always felt better on track - factory designed it for that place.

A lot of these motor reviews one person follows the other to be the same.

The GTS looks like a well resolved car. They are asking 2x what it costs for M4 with competition pack - this is my only issue. At least the 991 GT3 is not 2x the price of Carrera. Maybe 20% more.

The thing the BMW has to ask that kind of money is exclusivity and s big following. Financially it will be a sound investment - you will beable to sell it and buy 991.2 GT3 without loosing any money, maybe even make money. This is a great way to enjoy your hero cars without loosing too much...

randr

Really, you do know that Randy Pobst is a professional racing driver with a very good career behind.

He was the driver at the Laguna Seca stage of the testing:

Laguna Seca
BMW GTS - 1:37.66
991.2 C2S - 1:36.44

or given your preference for "German" testing - Sport Auto

Hockenheim Short - Chris Gebhard
991GT3 - 1:09.2
991.2CS2 - 1:09.6
BMW M4GTS - 1:09.6

Heres the result from Willow Springs - Randy Pobst
991.2 C2S - 1:27.1s
991Turbo S - 1:27.17s
Mclaren 570S - 1:27.21s
991GT3 - 1:27.22

The area unter the torque curve explains a lot
991.1CS2 337HP (4000-7700rpm)
991.1CGTS 342HP (4000-7700rpm)
991.1GT3 365HP (4000-9000rpm)
991.1GT3RS 386HP (4000-9000rpm)
and
991.2CS2 375HP (4000-7700rpm)

Looks like a production line, vanilla, grocery getting 991.2CS2 is on par or quicker than a track tired, water injected, caged, two seater, purpose built M4 GTS.

The M division needs to rethink its planning and marketing strategy - the current generation of M cars are largely disappointing, the much lauded M2 has better turn in feel than the current M3/4 - but thats about it. The M3/4 are still better all round. I think the M badge has been completely devalued by the likes of X5M/M135i/M235i/M packs etc, perhaps its a case of refocussing effort and energy>

Time to start again

Macca

Those times are so close together they are essentially all the same. The difference between tyres that are a few heat cycles more or less would be at least 2-3 tenths even with a computer simulating it. Ambient temperature changes by 5-6 degrees could take out a similar amount of time or fuel load (full tank vs nearly empty etc).

That 991.2 C2S if fitted with R comps (MPSC2) could be worrying alot of more dedicated machinery out there. Everyone I know who has tried it at the track (FastLane Turbo & a few others) has commented on how surprisingly effective it is. Torque wins!

randr

Agreed with all of the above - I added the area under the torque curve numbers to the post. Torque wins, couldn't agree more (my background is in rallying).

Lets hope BMW step up to the plate with the next gen M3/M4 (lighter, more torsional rigidity, better traction management, better suspension geometry - competition is a good thing.

Nur93

I am not saying anything vs 991 Carrera 2. I Said all them germans get GTS on par vs 991 GT3. In lap and accelerating
its just the same 0-200km at 12.3, GTS and 991 GT3, and around short hockenheim GTS is 0.4 sec slower same day, same driver.
That from a car that is 1600kg on the same scale that 991 GT3 is 134kg less. M dont need to rethink or do anything. That very solid performance right there. In the end its not whats in them magazines, I happen to Love my car and I am al ok if other do not.

A brand new carrera 2 is fast, its just as fast a Porsche GT cars as well.

randr

Nur93 - Im glad you love your GTS, I'm sure it will be a hoot to drive and I hope you continue to enjoy it.

However, I suspect the M division will have no choice but to rethink what they are doing given the relatively poor reception the last M3 and M4 got. Time will tell.

Kobalt

Isn't it about how fun you have in you car?

Lap time is one thing - it is how you get to the laptime the matters.

IMHO

997rs4.0

Totally agree^

I haven't driven the BMW GTS. 991gt3/RS is great fun. So is the 991.2, I was amazed how impressive that car is. Comes out of slow corners faster than most.

Talking down another car to make my own look better gets old pretty quick.

Nur93

Agree. How I conect to my car is most importent to me, also what laptime I drive is importent and fun to me. I don really care what motortrend or others say, I fore once dont base my car buy on what some magazine is saying.


GTS is very fun and fast and very special, thats all I need. Then again I can flipp it and make a dollar or 2, hence BMW aparently did a solid god jobb then😊👍

Nur93

That pin bult that is marked must put brand new every time we lower/hightening car. Its not expencive:-)

These plastic c clips you remove to drop her down to racesetting. Front is wider than rear. Also they are marked M4 GTS

Here is a pic of the 2 settings factory developed For car. Must say the 2 feels very nice. Street setting For Nur you just hit track from shop and car is sweet on track. No understeer, no rubbing wheels to fender plastic etc. Also chassie take curbs like you hardly feel it. GT4 Porsche is far from this god.
Aslo low racesetting get you more camber and car is very racecar like on them flat modern tracks like SPA etc. Also GTS DO NOT wear out the tires like stock GT4. Its much more easy to stay on sweet spot tire pressure and temp in GTS as its developed better(all tire surface is working the tarmac on al tires) That is not the case in stock GT4

Kobalt

Thanks for posting!

DK7

@Nur93

Apart from times, which car is more fun GTS or GT4? Or 997/991 GT3?