BMW M4 GTS
10-13-2016, 02:30 PM
#391
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I don't have the delusion to compare my driving to your driving but, thanks!
Spa and the other fast track suit the car well and the only time I really wanted Turbo on my RS was uphill after O Rouge ;-)
The GTS is doing just fine!
Impressive how modern cars hide their weight. Automotive equivalent of Spandex often used in the US..
Spa and the other fast track suit the car well and the only time I really wanted Turbo on my RS was uphill after O Rouge ;-)
The GTS is doing just fine!
Impressive how modern cars hide their weight. Automotive equivalent of Spandex often used in the US..
10-14-2016, 10:06 AM
#393
Yes, a fast Lap in SPA in an RS is around 2.40. Do not know concerning the GTS.
That said, nice driving and good choice that GTS, i'm not a fan of the oesthetic, but i love the concept and M cars !
That said, nice driving and good choice that GTS, i'm not a fan of the oesthetic, but i love the concept and M cars !
10-14-2016, 10:45 AM
#394
I am sure a M4 GTS can never be as fast as 991 RS on long or short track. Sport auto is 9 seconds faster in 991RS VS M4 GTS on Nur. And 1.1 seconds faster in 991 GT3 RS on short hockenheim. In my Nur laptime in M4 GTS i did easy after 4 laps 7.29 btg. I can easy cut 10-12 second and I am sure If I got more than those 4 laps that would be a done deal. 2 sec is cut only by fullspeed flyerlap under bridge, I start accelerating from pit, hence thats no god For laptime on btg run.
Also got some traffic on my laps, thats a few sec. But most importent only 4 laps is not enough in new car.
On SPA on the other hand I had never been before but still had 1.5 days of wet lappning and half a day on dry lap. Hence I guess I am closer to cars potential ther I guess. Did 2.45on the vbox-hd2 film and sure I can cut some but not 5 seconds. Maybe 2 sec. Have not look in to datatrace that much yet to know for sure. But 1-2 sec should go to cut in GTS I guess, also based on that this is first time on SPA, and new car
Also got some traffic on my laps, thats a few sec. But most importent only 4 laps is not enough in new car.
On SPA on the other hand I had never been before but still had 1.5 days of wet lappning and half a day on dry lap. Hence I guess I am closer to cars potential ther I guess. Did 2.45on the vbox-hd2 film and sure I can cut some but not 5 seconds. Maybe 2 sec. Have not look in to datatrace that much yet to know for sure. But 1-2 sec should go to cut in GTS I guess, also based on that this is first time on SPA, and new car
Last edited by Nur93; 10-14-2016 at 11:58 AM.
10-14-2016, 06:47 PM
#398
Thanks guys, fun to see and compare. Thats a god lap trackar, and I am sure once back you cut a few sec. Its not easy that first time. I guess most agree on that. Damn I cant translate those speed you pull vs km/h.
also fun to see Gt4 CS and them speed you do vs my speed. Thanks👍
also fun to see Gt4 CS and them speed you do vs my speed. Thanks👍
10-14-2016, 11:25 PM
#401
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Nice observation.
You can clearly see that on a track like Spa horsepower makes a big difference. At the bottom of Eau Rouge grip is very high due to the compression but your mind tells you otherwise. With 2016 991 Cups with ABS (allowed in the Sportscup vs Supercup and the worlwide Cup series) quickest times are 2.24 min. and in qualifying they only lift a liitle bit, due to aero and new slicks.
Also cutting Eau Rouge like done by the GTS will give you a drive trough after doing it twice. Btw race director at the Sportscup is Juergen Barth, a Porsche legend though not the most likeable person imho.
You can clearly see that on a track like Spa horsepower makes a big difference. At the bottom of Eau Rouge grip is very high due to the compression but your mind tells you otherwise. With 2016 991 Cups with ABS (allowed in the Sportscup vs Supercup and the worlwide Cup series) quickest times are 2.24 min. and in qualifying they only lift a liitle bit, due to aero and new slicks.
Also cutting Eau Rouge like done by the GTS will give you a drive trough after doing it twice. Btw race director at the Sportscup is Juergen Barth, a Porsche legend though not the most likeable person imho.
10-15-2016, 03:22 AM
#402
Thanks guys, nice speed info, and also that part on au rouge line, haha I have no ide about that rule in race. Hehe anyway its my first time here and brand new car. Hence I just feel my way forward, and that line I hold tru au rouge feel damn god.
Only thing I could fore sure bring more speed vmax in to it and also tru compression. But also my car is 1690kg full fuel and driver.
I see my data trace and in braking zone in all them highspeed areas I could cut 1 thenth of a second For sure. Lets say 0.5 sec if sweet spot braking full lap. Then i guess I could drive slightly higher vmin tru a few fast corners, and pull slightly higher vmax as well.
What do you guys say, but 1-2 seconds It should be possible to cut in GTS here?!
would be fun to see this pic compare on the fast lefthander on back straight end of lap. That double fast lefthander I just know I can improve alot.
in One lap I got vmax 219 in to that left, then lift to 215 vmin tru bend. That feelt solid, but I am sure it could almost work with no lift in GTS. But then next left after will be a challenge for sure🙄☺️. These things are hard to figure out first time
Only thing I could fore sure bring more speed vmax in to it and also tru compression. But also my car is 1690kg full fuel and driver.
I see my data trace and in braking zone in all them highspeed areas I could cut 1 thenth of a second For sure. Lets say 0.5 sec if sweet spot braking full lap. Then i guess I could drive slightly higher vmin tru a few fast corners, and pull slightly higher vmax as well.
What do you guys say, but 1-2 seconds It should be possible to cut in GTS here?!
would be fun to see this pic compare on the fast lefthander on back straight end of lap. That double fast lefthander I just know I can improve alot.
in One lap I got vmax 219 in to that left, then lift to 215 vmin tru bend. That feelt solid, but I am sure it could almost work with no lift in GTS. But then next left after will be a challenge for sure🙄☺️. These things are hard to figure out first time
10-15-2016, 06:58 AM
#403
Comments like this make me laugh.
Ford GT will be 500k. But it's a ford.
Audi R8 GT plus is 210k. But the doors are regular. But it looks like a TT.
Mustang 350R is ~80k once you factor ADM.
Cayman GT4 is 100k. But it's not as fun as______
Viper is 135k. But it's a dodge.
The M4 GTS is a great track car. Runs and hangs with a 150k GT3.
I'm not a brand snob at all and can respect that the GTS is a great offering from BMW.
Ford GT will be 500k. But it's a ford.
Audi R8 GT plus is 210k. But the doors are regular. But it looks like a TT.
Mustang 350R is ~80k once you factor ADM.
Cayman GT4 is 100k. But it's not as fun as______
Viper is 135k. But it's a dodge.
The M4 GTS is a great track car. Runs and hangs with a 150k GT3.
I'm not a brand snob at all and can respect that the GTS is a great offering from BMW.
I'm not a badge snob either, but I don't want water injection or a roll cage or track tires on my daily driver when I can have a better car (and quicker car), more comfort, all round useable tires and four seats in a .2C2S. BMW haven't made anything decent in years. The M badge now stands for marketing thats why it appears on everything.
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10-15-2016, 08:54 AM
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would be fun to see this pic compare on the fast lefthander on back straight end of lap. That double fast lefthander I just know I can improve alot.
in One lap I got vmax 219 in to that left, then lift to 215 vmin tru bend. That feelt solid, but I am sure it could almost work with no lift in GTS. But then next left after will be a challenge for sure��☺️. These things are hard to figure out first time
Don't forget this one: http://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-...d-week-special
But EOD it should be whether the car works you, not what some magazine says.
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10-15-2016, 09:42 AM
#405
Ah, thats it. 17 and 18. Very cool section i got some laps vmax 219 in to 17, then lift to 215 vmin going tru 17. But then the next 18 is also a challange.
Also agre with what you say, its not about them magazine test in the end. Its about how we conect to car and how fast we drive. At least thats the way I always seen it. And let me say that out loud. This GTS is One special car, its something else. People will understand as time go by.
One thing in particular i Love, when I take out the tools in car and lower it down to track setting(ca. 1.5cm lower vs street setting) then toe and camber go with car to a more aggressive setup in that drop.
Same when put it up again to high street/Nur record lap setting. You feel the car in low setting gets more camber and gets more racecar like in the way it tramline to instant pick up different cambers/angle in street. (On track its rock solid, no tramline)
And, we dont need to do alignment in between low/high setup. Its just perfect that way, as we in pit could just do it.
And man this KW chassie is sweet, this car is way superior my GT4. Its on another level, its so special that you really feel that well damped chassie. Curbs you hardly feel at al in car, it just magic. In GT4 thats not the case, there you feel them curbs, its not at all same advanced well damped chassie.
But if some One is keen in magasine test, its better to see all test done and take it For what it is. M4 GTS is on par with 991 GT3 all over the world in test, except that motortrend test. They have no clu, If they had they would never drive GTS in figure 8 lap in high street setting! But they did.
Wich is plain stupid, low down track setting ca. 2 cm lower to street, well thats where One should drive figure 8 lap with GTS.
No where in the world have I ever seen a GTS preform as bad as in motortrend.
Thing is, a special car like this, well the down side is it will not preform well out of the Box as it to much things that One need to know. Then again thats the thing I personally like, One need to know things to make it go well.
German mags know For instance how to launch a GTS, also I know. Then 0-200 is 12.3 seconds just the same as 991 GT3. Motortrend dont know, all they talk about is how GTS spin the rear tires. If they did know they had not Said that, if you know how to launch a GTS it will not just spinn rear tire.
Also agre with what you say, its not about them magazine test in the end. Its about how we conect to car and how fast we drive. At least thats the way I always seen it. And let me say that out loud. This GTS is One special car, its something else. People will understand as time go by.
One thing in particular i Love, when I take out the tools in car and lower it down to track setting(ca. 1.5cm lower vs street setting) then toe and camber go with car to a more aggressive setup in that drop.
Same when put it up again to high street/Nur record lap setting. You feel the car in low setting gets more camber and gets more racecar like in the way it tramline to instant pick up different cambers/angle in street. (On track its rock solid, no tramline)
And, we dont need to do alignment in between low/high setup. Its just perfect that way, as we in pit could just do it.
And man this KW chassie is sweet, this car is way superior my GT4. Its on another level, its so special that you really feel that well damped chassie. Curbs you hardly feel at al in car, it just magic. In GT4 thats not the case, there you feel them curbs, its not at all same advanced well damped chassie.
But if some One is keen in magasine test, its better to see all test done and take it For what it is. M4 GTS is on par with 991 GT3 all over the world in test, except that motortrend test. They have no clu, If they had they would never drive GTS in figure 8 lap in high street setting! But they did.
Wich is plain stupid, low down track setting ca. 2 cm lower to street, well thats where One should drive figure 8 lap with GTS.
No where in the world have I ever seen a GTS preform as bad as in motortrend.
Thing is, a special car like this, well the down side is it will not preform well out of the Box as it to much things that One need to know. Then again thats the thing I personally like, One need to know things to make it go well.
German mags know For instance how to launch a GTS, also I know. Then 0-200 is 12.3 seconds just the same as 991 GT3. Motortrend dont know, all they talk about is how GTS spin the rear tires. If they did know they had not Said that, if you know how to launch a GTS it will not just spinn rear tire.
Last edited by Nur93; 10-15-2016 at 12:54 PM.