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10-10-2014, 01:31 AM
#272
Three Wheelin'
You've established that there are other experienced drivers who share your opinion. Good job.
Dan (still disagrees but gives credit where due)
10-10-2014, 01:32 AM
#273
Three Wheelin'
10-10-2014, 01:44 AM
#274
Three Wheelin'
Well, I see where you have gotten your perspective from as well as your arguments. There was a mix of opinions on that thread too. It seems like the "driving experience" is what Steve Rance focuses upon. And, he discounts the 991 GT3 as having the same feeling as predecessors.
You've established that there are other experienced drivers who share your opinion. Good job.
Dan (still disagrees but gives credit where due)
You've established that there are other experienced drivers who share your opinion. Good job.
Dan (still disagrees but gives credit where due)
Dan (corrects and qualifies)
10-10-2014, 05:31 AM
#275
destaccado, you don't know what you're talking about. All this BS from someone who's never even owned a GT3 (any variant) before......
Street GT3s never had much of anything in common with Cup cars. The ONLY thing in common was a part of the engine. Yes, not the whole engine - only a part of it.
Let me summarize it for you:
996 GT3: had nothing in common with 996 GT3 Cup (except for part of the engine).
997 GT3: had nothing in common with 997 GT3 Cup!
Different transmission, different suspension, different interior, different wing, different glass (lexan), different brakes, different windshield wipers even!, different steering, different seats (duh), different body panels, different fuel tank/cell, everything different. 996/997 GT3 owners can brag about their "race car for the street" all they want at Cars & Coffee, but the fact of the matter is that street GT3s never had much of anything in common with actual race cars.
Dude..... have you ever even been inside of a Cup car???
Now, 991 GT3 is not for everyone (no MT for example) but your "facts" don't hold water. "Motorsport pedigree" my ***... part of the engine was same while 99% of the car had nothing in common with Cup, R, or RSR. 996/997 GT3s were just that - excellent STREET cars with very, very little in common with race cars. So how is 991 GT3 any different?
Street GT3s never had much of anything in common with Cup cars. The ONLY thing in common was a part of the engine. Yes, not the whole engine - only a part of it.
Let me summarize it for you:
996 GT3: had nothing in common with 996 GT3 Cup (except for part of the engine).
997 GT3: had nothing in common with 997 GT3 Cup!
Different transmission, different suspension, different interior, different wing, different glass (lexan), different brakes, different windshield wipers even!, different steering, different seats (duh), different body panels, different fuel tank/cell, everything different. 996/997 GT3 owners can brag about their "race car for the street" all they want at Cars & Coffee, but the fact of the matter is that street GT3s never had much of anything in common with actual race cars.
Dude..... have you ever even been inside of a Cup car???
Now, 991 GT3 is not for everyone (no MT for example) but your "facts" don't hold water. "Motorsport pedigree" my ***... part of the engine was same while 99% of the car had nothing in common with Cup, R, or RSR. 996/997 GT3s were just that - excellent STREET cars with very, very little in common with race cars. So how is 991 GT3 any different?
Last edited by the_vetman; 10-10-2014 at 09:17 AM.
10-10-2014, 05:42 AM
#276
Nordschleife Master
Don't cup cars need their motors taken apart and rebuilt every 30hrs or so ? that's something different for Mr Troll to chew on. If that is what it takes to be a GT3...leave the moniker off for the street version...lol
10-10-2014, 08:48 AM
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Again, it comes down to how you define 'GT3'. According to some definitions, the 991 GT3 is certainly a 'GT3', according to other definitions it's certainly not, and accordingly to other definitions it's borderline. No big deal. Judge the car for what it is, relative to the purposes it can be used for. It's what Porsche is currently offering under the GT3 name; buy it if you want one, otherwise move on (we already knew it had to be quite different from the 997 GT3, which was quite different from the 996 GT3; next generation will be different too, cars change). And destaccado agrees that the 991 GT3 is a great car, regardless of whether it's a 'GT3', so why all this sound and fury?
10-10-2014, 12:16 PM
#278
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Again, it comes down to how you define 'GT3'. According to some definitions, the 991 GT3 is certainly a 'GT3', according to other definitions it's certainly not, and accordingly to other definitions it's borderline. No big deal. Judge the car for what it is, relative to the purposes it can be used for. It's what Porsche is currently offering under the GT3 name; buy it if you want one, otherwise move on (we already knew it had to be quite different from the 997 GT3, which was quite different from the 996 GT3; next generation will be different too, cars change). And destaccado agrees that the 991 GT3 is a great car, regardless of whether it's a 'GT3', so why all this sound and fury?
10-10-2014, 12:17 PM
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10-10-2014, 04:58 PM
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Street GT3s never had much of anything in common with Cup cars. The ONLY thing in common was a part of the engine. Yes, not the whole engine - only a part of it.
Let me summarize it for you:
996 GT3: had nothing in common with 996 GT3 Cup (except for part of the engine).
997 GT3: had nothing in common with 997 GT3 Cup!
Different transmission, different suspension, different interior, different wing, different glass (lexan), different brakes, different windshield wipers even!, different steering, different seats (duh), different body panels, different fuel tank/cell, everything different. 996/997 GT3 owners can brag about their "race car for the street" all they want at Cars & Coffee, but the fact of the matter is that street GT3s never had much of anything in common with actual race cars.
Dude..... have you ever even been inside of a Cup car???
Now, 991 GT3 is not for everyone (no MT for example) but your "facts" don't hold water. "Motorsport pedigree" my ***... part of the engine was same while 99% of the car had nothing in common with Cup, R, or RSR. 996/997 GT3s were just that - excellent STREET cars with very, very little in common with race cars. So how is 991 GT3 any different?
Let me summarize it for you:
996 GT3: had nothing in common with 996 GT3 Cup (except for part of the engine).
997 GT3: had nothing in common with 997 GT3 Cup!
Different transmission, different suspension, different interior, different wing, different glass (lexan), different brakes, different windshield wipers even!, different steering, different seats (duh), different body panels, different fuel tank/cell, everything different. 996/997 GT3 owners can brag about their "race car for the street" all they want at Cars & Coffee, but the fact of the matter is that street GT3s never had much of anything in common with actual race cars.
Dude..... have you ever even been inside of a Cup car???
Now, 991 GT3 is not for everyone (no MT for example) but your "facts" don't hold water. "Motorsport pedigree" my ***... part of the engine was same while 99% of the car had nothing in common with Cup, R, or RSR. 996/997 GT3s were just that - excellent STREET cars with very, very little in common with race cars. So how is 991 GT3 any different?
10-10-2014, 09:46 PM
#281
destaccado, you don't know what you're talking about. All this BS from someone who's never even owned a GT3 (any variant) before......
Street GT3s never had much of anything in common with Cup cars. The ONLY thing in common was a part of the engine. Yes, not the whole engine - only a part of it.
Let me summarize it for you:
996 GT3: had nothing in common with 996 GT3 Cup (except for part of the engine).
997 GT3: had nothing in common with 997 GT3 Cup!
Different transmission, different suspension, different interior, different wing, different glass (lexan), different brakes, different windshield wipers even!, different steering, different seats (duh), different body panels, different fuel tank/cell, everything different. 996/997 GT3 owners can brag about their "race car for the street" all they want at Cars & Coffee, but the fact of the matter is that street GT3s never had much of anything in common with actual race cars.
Dude..... have you ever even been inside of a Cup car???
Now, 991 GT3 is not for everyone (no MT for example) but your "facts" don't hold water. "Motorsport pedigree" my ***... part of the engine was same while 99% of the car had nothing in common with Cup, R, or RSR. 996/997 GT3s were just that - excellent STREET cars with very, very little in common with race cars. So how is 991 GT3 any different?
Street GT3s never had much of anything in common with Cup cars. The ONLY thing in common was a part of the engine. Yes, not the whole engine - only a part of it.
Let me summarize it for you:
996 GT3: had nothing in common with 996 GT3 Cup (except for part of the engine).
997 GT3: had nothing in common with 997 GT3 Cup!
Different transmission, different suspension, different interior, different wing, different glass (lexan), different brakes, different windshield wipers even!, different steering, different seats (duh), different body panels, different fuel tank/cell, everything different. 996/997 GT3 owners can brag about their "race car for the street" all they want at Cars & Coffee, but the fact of the matter is that street GT3s never had much of anything in common with actual race cars.
Dude..... have you ever even been inside of a Cup car???
Now, 991 GT3 is not for everyone (no MT for example) but your "facts" don't hold water. "Motorsport pedigree" my ***... part of the engine was same while 99% of the car had nothing in common with Cup, R, or RSR. 996/997 GT3s were just that - excellent STREET cars with very, very little in common with race cars. So how is 991 GT3 any different?
The GT3 Cup is based off the GT3 RS or vice versa. The 991 GT3 is simply "inspired by"....
The 991 GT3 is different because the entire powertrain isn't related to the cup but IS related to the Carrera; derivatives of the same motor, transmission, steering system, etc
...
Now watch this video where they try to explain what's related between the 991 GT3 and the Cup....
http://www.total911.com/video-porsch...t3-vs-gt3-cup/
Enjoy your Boxster and your Gixxer. I had the same when I was 19 so I know what a special combo that is.
Last edited by destaccado; 10-10-2014 at 10:14 PM.
10-10-2014, 10:19 PM
#284
When someone is commenting on my 911's - yes. Otherwise? No.
"destaccado, you don't know what you're talking about. All this BS from someone who's never even owned a GT3 (any variant) before......"
....I'm gonna go out no a limb and say that the individual who posted this and then went on his spiel doesn't own one either and perhaps would be best following their own advice to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy.
"destaccado, you don't know what you're talking about. All this BS from someone who's never even owned a GT3 (any variant) before......"
....I'm gonna go out no a limb and say that the individual who posted this and then went on his spiel doesn't own one either and perhaps would be best following their own advice to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy.
10-10-2014, 10:35 PM
#285
Just curious why the **** you're worried about what I do for a living? Don't you have any more used cars to ask nearly full MSRP for when they're still available at the same price to order new?