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10-09-2014, 02:34 AM
#196
Is your name Dan? Did you really just refer to yourself in the third person?
10-09-2014, 02:45 AM
#197
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fascinating thread, indeed.
buy a GTS
buy a 991GT3
drive both
sell the one u dont like
i dont know the spec. i dont care about spec.
i trust my a**
if it gels with the seat, that's the car.
if not, it's gone
but i had more fun reading the thread than tracking my cars. and cheaper too.
buy a GTS
buy a 991GT3
drive both
sell the one u dont like
i dont know the spec. i dont care about spec.
i trust my a**
if it gels with the seat, that's the car.
if not, it's gone
but i had more fun reading the thread than tracking my cars. and cheaper too.
10-09-2014, 02:48 AM
#198
Three Wheelin'
Is your name really Destaccado?
"destacado, destacada adjective
English Translation of DESTACADO
1
: outstanding, prominent"
http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/destacado
Dan (thinks peacock twit should fight windmills elsewhere
)
10-09-2014, 02:52 AM
#199
There we go! We have confirmation of an pillock.
Is your name really Destaccado?
"destacado, destacada adjective
English Translation of DESTACADO
1
: outstanding, prominent"
http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/destacado
Dan (thinks peacock twit should fight windmills elsewhere)
Is your name really Destaccado?
"destacado, destacada adjective
English Translation of DESTACADO
1
: outstanding, prominent"
http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/destacado
Dan (thinks peacock twit should fight windmills elsewhere
)
10-09-2014, 02:52 AM
#200
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No one on the planet should compare the GTS with a GT3. 
If I bought some HRE Flowform wheels and a can of Plastidip I could have a GTS also and no one would know the difference.
If I bought some HRE Flowform wheels and a can of Plastidip I could have a GTS also and no one would know the difference.
10-09-2014, 02:55 AM
#201
Dan (hopelessly needs to improve his reading comprehension and logical reasoning)
10-09-2014, 02:55 AM
#202
10-09-2014, 02:59 AM
#203
Three Wheelin'
So, Brian, what is your beef really? What is your problem that you feel the need to vent your position knowing you will be rebuffed by everyone on a GT3 specific forum? Why can't you just get along with other Porsche fans?
Dan (asks plainly without insult curious to see what happens)
10-09-2014, 03:12 AM
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destaccado
"Except that historical buyers of the GT3 aren't necessarily the same buyers of the 991 GT3 anymore. I would bet the vast majority of 991 GT3 buyers are closer to the 911 GTS buyers than 997.2 GT3 buyers."
Do you actually know demographic characteristics of 991 GT3 owners, or is it just your impression? I do not know what percentage of the potential buyers of 991 GT3 switching from 911 GTS. These are quite different cars (GT3/GTS) with different attributes. I thought the majority would be previous GT3 owners (not necessarily 997.2 GT3) but I may be wrong. I am one those historical buyers replacing my 2005 GT3 (which I had it for 8 yrs) with 991 GT3.
"Except that historical buyers of the GT3 aren't necessarily the same buyers of the 991 GT3 anymore. I would bet the vast majority of 991 GT3 buyers are closer to the 911 GTS buyers than 997.2 GT3 buyers."
Do you actually know demographic characteristics of 991 GT3 owners, or is it just your impression? I do not know what percentage of the potential buyers of 991 GT3 switching from 911 GTS. These are quite different cars (GT3/GTS) with different attributes. I thought the majority would be previous GT3 owners (not necessarily 997.2 GT3) but I may be wrong. I am one those historical buyers replacing my 2005 GT3 (which I had it for 8 yrs) with 991 GT3.
10-09-2014, 03:34 AM
#205
destaccado
"Except that historical buyers of the GT3 aren't necessarily the same buyers of the 991 GT3 anymore. I would bet the vast majority of 991 GT3 buyers are closer to the 911 GTS buyers than 997.2 GT3 buyers."
Do you actually know demographic characteristics of 991 GT3 owners, or is it just your impression? I do not know what percentage of the potential buyers of 991 GT3 switching from 911 GTS. These are quite different cars (GT3/GTS) with different attributes. I thought the majority would be previous GT3 owners (not necessarily 997.2 GT3) but I may be wrong. I am one those historical buyers replacing my 2005 GT3 (which I had it for 8 yrs) with 991 GT3.
"Except that historical buyers of the GT3 aren't necessarily the same buyers of the 991 GT3 anymore. I would bet the vast majority of 991 GT3 buyers are closer to the 911 GTS buyers than 997.2 GT3 buyers."
Do you actually know demographic characteristics of 991 GT3 owners, or is it just your impression? I do not know what percentage of the potential buyers of 991 GT3 switching from 911 GTS. These are quite different cars (GT3/GTS) with different attributes. I thought the majority would be previous GT3 owners (not necessarily 997.2 GT3) but I may be wrong. I am one those historical buyers replacing my 2005 GT3 (which I had it for 8 yrs) with 991 GT3.
10-09-2014, 06:02 AM
#207
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Not trying to fuel the fire, but let me see if I got what Brian is trying to say:
So Brian, you're saying in your opinion is that since previous generation GT3/RS' shared the same engine platform with the cup cars they do deserve the 'GT3' moniker, and since the engine is completely different on the 991 it does not? Is this correct?
If so, getting past this particular argument about the engine, the previous generation GT3's had not much else in common with the cup cars other than the engine (suspension, brakes, aero, etc.). So how did they deserve the 'GT3' moniker and were not closer to a GTS or a Carrera S than a cup car?
Everyone here is aware of the fact that the engine is different on the 991 GT3 compared to the cups and previous gens, and accepted it. It's what Porsche now offers unfortunately, period. No getting past that.
It's been stated by Porsche numerous times in the past that the power was maxed out with the 4.0L and there is no way of increasing the engine displacement on the Mezger block without risking the structural integrity of the block (yes, there are a few tuners going past a 4.0L displacement). I'm pretty sure if Porsche felt like they could squeeze more displacement than 4.0L out of the Mezger block safely they would have done so on their race cars. So Porsche did something we did not think was possible back in the day and created a brand new motor for the street car.
Yes, the new motor is also cheaper to produce compared to the Mezger based engine and Porsche is in the game to make money. But they have achieved to make a much faster car with the 991 than previous generations on pretty much any aspect with the long term liability still being a big question mark. Maybe they went with a new motor to save on cost, or maybe they thought the engine wouldn't easily last over 100,000 miles with more displacement. Who knows... All I know is: it's here to stay whether we accept it or not.
I'm quite happy with my 7.2 GT3 and plan on keeping it. So if you don't like the new platform then join the 997 club
Flame suit on!!!
So Brian, you're saying in your opinion is that since previous generation GT3/RS' shared the same engine platform with the cup cars they do deserve the 'GT3' moniker, and since the engine is completely different on the 991 it does not? Is this correct?
If so, getting past this particular argument about the engine, the previous generation GT3's had not much else in common with the cup cars other than the engine (suspension, brakes, aero, etc.). So how did they deserve the 'GT3' moniker and were not closer to a GTS or a Carrera S than a cup car?
Everyone here is aware of the fact that the engine is different on the 991 GT3 compared to the cups and previous gens, and accepted it. It's what Porsche now offers unfortunately, period. No getting past that.
It's been stated by Porsche numerous times in the past that the power was maxed out with the 4.0L and there is no way of increasing the engine displacement on the Mezger block without risking the structural integrity of the block (yes, there are a few tuners going past a 4.0L displacement). I'm pretty sure if Porsche felt like they could squeeze more displacement than 4.0L out of the Mezger block safely they would have done so on their race cars. So Porsche did something we did not think was possible back in the day and created a brand new motor for the street car.
Yes, the new motor is also cheaper to produce compared to the Mezger based engine and Porsche is in the game to make money. But they have achieved to make a much faster car with the 991 than previous generations on pretty much any aspect with the long term liability still being a big question mark. Maybe they went with a new motor to save on cost, or maybe they thought the engine wouldn't easily last over 100,000 miles with more displacement. Who knows... All I know is: it's here to stay whether we accept it or not.
I'm quite happy with my 7.2 GT3 and plan on keeping it. So if you don't like the new platform then join the 997 club
Flame suit on!!!
10-09-2014, 08:03 AM
#208
Not trying to fuel the fire, but let me see if I got what Brian is trying to say:
So Brian, you're saying in your opinion is that since previous generation GT3/RS' shared the same engine platform with the cup cars they do deserve the 'GT3' moniker, and since the engine is completely different on the 991 it does not? Is this correct?
So Brian, you're saying in your opinion is that since previous generation GT3/RS' shared the same engine platform with the cup cars they do deserve the 'GT3' moniker, and since the engine is completely different on the 991 it does not? Is this correct?
If so, getting past this particular argument about the engine, the previous generation GT3's had not much else in common with the cup cars other than the engine (suspension, brakes, aero, etc.). So how did they deserve the 'GT3' moniker and were not closer to a GTS or a Carrera S than a cup car?
Everyone here is aware of the fact that the engine is different on the 991 GT3 compared to the cups and previous gens, and accepted it. It's what Porsche now offers unfortunately, period. No getting past that.
It's been stated by Porsche numerous times in the past that the power was maxed out with the 4.0L and there is no way of increasing the engine displacement on the Mezger block without risking the structural integrity of the block (yes, there are a few tuners going past a 4.0L displacement). I'm pretty sure if Porsche felt like they could squeeze more displacement than 4.0L out of the Mezger block safely they would have done so on their race cars. So Porsche did something we did not think was possible back in the day and created a brand new motor for the street car.
Yes, the new motor is also cheaper to produce compared to the Mezger based engine and Porsche is in the game to make money. But they have achieved to make a much faster car with the 991 than previous generations on pretty much any aspect with the long term liability still being a big question mark. Maybe they went with a new motor to save on cost, or maybe they thought the engine wouldn't easily last over 100,000 miles with more displacement. Who knows... All I know is: it's here to stay whether we accept it or not.
I'm quite happy with my 7.2 GT3 and plan on keeping it. So if you don't like the new platform then join the 997 club
Flame suit on!!!
Everyone here is aware of the fact that the engine is different on the 991 GT3 compared to the cups and previous gens, and accepted it. It's what Porsche now offers unfortunately, period. No getting past that.
It's been stated by Porsche numerous times in the past that the power was maxed out with the 4.0L and there is no way of increasing the engine displacement on the Mezger block without risking the structural integrity of the block (yes, there are a few tuners going past a 4.0L displacement). I'm pretty sure if Porsche felt like they could squeeze more displacement than 4.0L out of the Mezger block safely they would have done so on their race cars. So Porsche did something we did not think was possible back in the day and created a brand new motor for the street car.
Yes, the new motor is also cheaper to produce compared to the Mezger based engine and Porsche is in the game to make money. But they have achieved to make a much faster car with the 991 than previous generations on pretty much any aspect with the long term liability still being a big question mark. Maybe they went with a new motor to save on cost, or maybe they thought the engine wouldn't easily last over 100,000 miles with more displacement. Who knows... All I know is: it's here to stay whether we accept it or not.
I'm quite happy with my 7.2 GT3 and plan on keeping it. So if you don't like the new platform then join the 997 club
Flame suit on!!!
10-09-2014, 08:06 AM
#209
I'm stepping out of this thread so it can get back on track. It's been real a fun discussion.
Enjoy your GTS-R's in the best of health
Enjoy your GTS-R's in the best of health