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Old 10-08-2014, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by doubleurx
Ok take the track times out of it. What about your flawed logic?
Again. The 991 GT3 shares some body panels, suspension components, brakes, and the 991 chassis with the GT3 racecar. Everything else = "feels"

Great car. Maybe better than previous GT3s for the street. Still not a GT3. The free market has already decided I'm correct by the explosion in value of the older cars. It's not just the manual transmission that led to that.
Old 10-08-2014, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mcsmcs1
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 GTS written across the back? That's excessive.
lol. agreed
Old 10-08-2014, 11:22 PM
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destaccado, nothing wrong with fairly criticizing the car, but you have to make a coherent and compelling case. Instead, seems that you're drifting into self-contradictions.
Old 10-08-2014, 11:24 PM
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
destaccado, nothing wrong with fairly criticizing the car, but you have to make a coherent and compelling case. Instead, seems that you're drifting into self-contradictions.
Point out 1.
Old 10-08-2014, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by destaccado
Point out 1.
It's OK for GT3 and cup to have few or no identical parts for the 996 and 997, but not for the 991. Is that not what you said?
Old 10-08-2014, 11:30 PM
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What engine is in the RSR?
Old 10-08-2014, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by destaccado
I believe the centerlocks on the GT3 are actually the same centerlock setup from the GTS (other than the actual wheel itself) -- not the Cup.
Sorry, you're wrong about that. The new CL's have larger bearing journals and larger wheel bearings that are identical to the GT3 Cup. The GT3 specific CL also now has a stronger wheel hub for better camber stability and the carrier bots are fixed to the wheel hub instead of the brake chamber as with the 997 GT3 and more generic CL versions in other models.
Old 10-08-2014, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by orthojoe
The troll is hungry...stop feeding him.
Old 10-08-2014, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
It's OK for GT3 and cup to have few or no identical parts for the 996 and 997, but not for the 991. Is that not what you said?
There's no point Manifold. I pointed this out as well. His argument, best I can tell, is it should only have the GT3 name if the cup car uses the same motor........regardless of how good the car is on the street and track.

Let's leave it at that and let him go waffle between his selection of burmeister or Bose.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
It's OK for GT3 and cup to have few or no identical parts for the 996 and 997, but not for the 991. Is that not what you said?
The 996 and 997 GT3 share derivatives of the same CUP motor and the CUP is homologated off of it. This isn't the case with the 991.

So yes -- that's not what I said.

Porsche decided the 991 GT3 wasn't a GT3 when they didn't use the motor in the race car. If that changes in the future than my opinion on the 991 GT3 would change as well.
Old 10-08-2014, 11:34 PM
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I am eating my popcorn from the bleachers.

This is fun!!
Old 10-08-2014, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by doubleurx
There's no point Manifold. I pointed this out as well. His argument, best I can tell, is it should only have the GT3 name if the cup car uses the same motor........regardless of how good the car is on the street and track.

Let's leave it at that and let him go waffle between his selection of burmeister or Bose.
Does the 997.2 3RS offer retrofitable Burmeister? I wouldn't mind having it actually.
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Originally Posted by rockitman
The troll is hungry...stop feeding him.
You're right. Signing off for the evening before the wife gets sleepy, I can think of a better way to spend my time and energy .
Old 10-08-2014, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by doubleurx
There's no point Manifold. I pointed this out as well. His argument, best I can tell, is it should only have the GT3 name if the cup car uses the same motor........regardless of how good the car is on the street and track.

Let's leave it at that and let him go waffle between his selection of burmeister or Bose.
What makes the GT3 the GT3 is the homologation process. 'The race car based off the street car' -- the only GT3 model this doesn't apply to is the 991. That wasn't my decision -- it was Porsche's.

Same thing with World Superbike in motorcycles; my 1199R is the homologation model of the 1199R race bike. When Ducati starts calling the next model the "R" and it isn't used for homologation I'll cry foul.


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