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Old 03-05-2015, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
Nope

cwp 3.973 on GT3 & 4.188 on the GT3RS the ss rounds those cells in the view but not in the calcs

tires are
Michelin Sport Cup 2s
GT3 305/30x20 OD27" w/ a dynamic rolling height of 26.2"
RS 325/30x21 OD 28.7 w/ a dynamic rolling height of 27.9"
Hmm, then what is accounting for the 20% difference in max speeds (in each gear comparison between the two)? i.e. 42 vs 50, 66 vs 79, etc...
Old 03-05-2015, 06:12 PM
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Carbon fiber trim seems to come included. All orange pics I've seen have carbon fibre trim. But only door sills are offered on the config.
Old 03-05-2015, 06:18 PM
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I noticed that the passenger LWB seat in both the GT3RS and the GT4 had a hole in it for a anti-sub belt (ie same as driver seat). At least in the USA, the GT3 passenger LWB seats do not have a hole. So, I hope this means that Porsche will supply the RS and the 4 with the passenger seat holes. Anyone know more about this?
Old 03-05-2015, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by blockbuster
I noticed that the passenger LWB seat in both the GT3RS and the GT4 had a hole in it for a anti-sub belt (ie same as driver seat). At least in the USA, the GT3 passenger LWB seats do not have a hole. So, I hope this means that Porsche will supply the RS and the 4 with the passenger seat holes. Anyone know more about this?
If they didn't do it on the GT3 in the USA, then I'm sure the same restriction (whatever it is) will stop them from doing it on the GT4 and GT3RS USA-bound cars.
Old 03-05-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern
Folks, remember, the 'Ring has been a bucket of snow the past few months...

The 991 GT3 RS is not 7:20 at the 'Ring. It's expected, by Porsche (and AP), to be 7:20, and we all know Porsche to always under-promise on numbers (hp, 0-60 times, lap times). Wait for the snow to melt, and we'll hopefully eventually get a 'Ring video.

Same goes for the 7:40 for the 981 Cayman GT4.

Patience.
As a reminder, the 991 GT3 was expected to be 7:30 at launch as well. Most of their calcs are based on the conservative HP numbers, so there is always room in that which helps the time. I think the RS downforce will move the RS into the low teens.
Old 03-05-2015, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Hmm, then what is accounting for the 20% difference in max speeds (in each gear comparison between the two)? i.e. 42 vs 50, 66 vs 79, etc...
There was a mistake in the drops section and the speed in gear section because I had copied from a Cayman GTS chart and had left the 7800 rpm shift point.

It is now corrected in the original(I think)
let me know if it still doesn't make sense to you

Those #s were correct in the acceleration model, the trans info was something I just threw together quickly

as to the difference in speeds in gears
2 things the RS has a taller tire, dynamic loaded rolling radius is 27.8" vs 26.2" for the GT3

RS revs to 8800 GT3 to 9000
Old 03-05-2015, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Macca
Bill love your work as always. Yourself and Petevb teach me so much!
Thanks, There are a few posters that I pay lots of attention too and Pete is at the top of the list
Old 03-05-2015, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ToyGuyAZ
Porsche has already posted figures for acceleration on both cars to 60, 62 and 124mph. The RS is quicker than the GT3 to every mph, as it should be and as it will be. I don't need to preach at any alter. I'll just enjoy the real world in my 15 GT3 and add the RS when it arrives later this year. They tested the RS at 10.9sec to 124mph, the GT3 was 11.4sec to 124mph (other tests have shown the GT3 is quicker than Porsche states as will be the case with the RS). That's a significant difference and already disproves your math and science saying the GT3 would be quicker in gears 1-4 and maybe all gears.
It's a model that doesn't include every possible influence and is based on published data which itself may be faulty. The Math and Science is right.

No car will make identical runs every time, the best that can be done to understand it's performance envelope is too average multiple iterations of testing w/ multiple drivers, in varying conditions, on varying tracks. One can then discard obvious anomoulous instances.

Marketing people however are free to cherry pick the data that they wish to publish

Again you are free to believe the marketing department
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looks like the production is limited to 2000 units.

1200 to USA.
Old 03-05-2015, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by irule
looks like the production is limited to 2000 units.

1200 to USA.
1200 for US ? That's pretty good in terms of most people who want one can get one...
Old 03-05-2015, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
As a reminder, the 991 GT3 was expected to be 7:30 at launch as well. Most of their calcs are based on the conservative HP numbers, so there is always room in that which helps the time. I think the RS downforce will move the RS into the low teens.
Nate I just reviewed the press statement. They said "under 7.30" at launch of GT3. However RS will beat 7.20 no worries.
Old 03-05-2015, 06:57 PM
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1200 is a lot for what is probably close to a $190k car on average.
Old 03-05-2015, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by irule
looks like the production is limited to 2000 units.

1200 to USA.
Source?
Old 03-05-2015, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KenU
Source?
Oh boy...that is a symptom of RS desire.....
Old 03-05-2015, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
1200 is a lot for what is probably close to a $190k car on average.
Every single one will be sold, and sold quickly. Porsche is gunning for more non traditional customers. The 991 GT3 has a bunch of "never before driven a GT3" customer, now the RS will probably be in the same league.


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