Notices
991 GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS and 911R 2012-2019
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Consolidated 991RS thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-05-2015, 07:08 PM
  #6421  
NateOZ
Race Car
 
NateOZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 3,530
Received 29 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 997s07
Every single one will be sold, and sold quickly. Porsche is gunning for more non traditional customers. The 991 GT3 has a bunch of "never before driven a GT3" customer, now the RS will probably be in the same league.
I agree they'll sell, but it's a big bet by Porsche if the production run is as short as previously indicated. I wonder how many of the over MSRP people will pull out of those slots if the number is confirmed?
Old 03-05-2015, 07:11 PM
  #6422  
mdkim
Racer
 
mdkim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SoCal
Posts: 423
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by irule
looks like the production is limited to 2000 units.

1200 to USA.
Would also like to know if that's a single production run or over a longer period. Hoping that there will be that many this year since it would all but guarantee me a car .
Old 03-05-2015, 07:11 PM
  #6423  
rockitman
Nordschleife Master
 
rockitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Got Revs ???
Posts: 5,735
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by NateOZ
I agree they'll sell, but it's a big bet by Porsche if the production run is as short as previously indicated. I wonder how many of the over MSRP people will pull out of those slots if the number is confirmed?
The scalper dealers will be depressed if in fact that number is correct.
Old 03-05-2015, 07:14 PM
  #6424  
Nizer
Rennlist Member
 
Nizer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Wishing I Was At The Track
Posts: 13,627
Received 1,863 Likes on 963 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Drifting
Anyone have a photo of of a Porsche other than than the 997 4.0, with canards? Still trying to get a mental picture of how you add canards to a pre-existing p-car.

I'm actually debating the idea of using a Crawford wing on my GT3, (just on the track), I'd put my old wing back the GT3 for the rest of my driving.
Here you go. This is what we used on the 997.2 RS. They affixed with double-sided tape.
Attached Images  
Old 03-05-2015, 08:05 PM
  #6425  
Mech33
Nordschleife Master
 
Mech33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 5,372
Received 625 Likes on 382 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Nizer
Here you go. This is what we used on the 997.2 RS. They affixed with double-sided tape.
If they stay on with double stick tape, they can't be adding THAT much downforce, no? Say they were adding 30 pounds of downforce total at high speed: do you think you could hang 15 pounds off of each and not have them fall off? Just curious.
Old 03-05-2015, 08:07 PM
  #6426  
Mike in CA
Race Director
 
Mike in CA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: North Bay Area, CA
Posts: 11,969
Received 128 Likes on 67 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mech33
If they stay on with double stick tape, they can't be adding THAT much downforce, no? Say they were adding 30 pounds of downforce total at high speed: do you think you could hang 15 pounds off of each and not have them fall off? Just curious.
I had the same question....
Old 03-05-2015, 08:20 PM
  #6427  
kosmo
Race Director
 
kosmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: THE Republic
Posts: 10,594
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 997s07
Every single one will be sold, and sold quickly. Porsche is gunning for more non traditional customers. The 991 GT3 has a bunch of "never before driven a GT3" customer, now the RS will probably be in the same league.
agreed but the 1200figure is more than what I had expected (less than 1000).
how does this compare to the .2 RS?
Old 03-05-2015, 08:20 PM
  #6428  
Nizer
Rennlist Member
 
Nizer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Wishing I Was At The Track
Posts: 13,627
Received 1,863 Likes on 963 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mech33
If they stay on with double stick tape, they can't be adding THAT much downforce, no? Say they were adding 30 pounds of downforce total at high speed: do you think you could hang 15 pounds off of each and not have them fall off? Just curious.
Spread over the length of the dive plane, yes. The tape is surprisingly strong. Some also supplemented with screws or rivets. FWIW, the RS 4.0 dive planes also used double sided tape.

I'm not an aerodynamicist but as I recall the function is as much about moving air away from the turbulent wheel opening as about actually generating downforce/reducing lift.

Manthey claim 7kg of additional downforce from their simple wheel arch gurneys (below).

The dive planes I showed were patterned after the ones common on the GT3R and GT3 Hybrid race cars.
Attached Images    

Last edited by Nizer; 03-05-2015 at 08:41 PM.
Old 03-05-2015, 08:36 PM
  #6429  
lordpantsington
Pro
 
lordpantsington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 534
Received 13 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
Here's a comparison of the theoretical accelerations of a 991GT3 and a 991 GT3RS, I had to guess and the frontal area of the RS and made it a tad larger than for the GT3, I also used 15% for the drivetrain loss and a 200# driver
In the PM_Genf_2015_BR-EN3a.pdf it states:

Aerodynamics: Drag coefficient cd 0.33
Frontal area A 2.03 m2
cd x A 0.672
Also:
Weights: Unladen weight DIN 1,420 kg
Permissible gross weight 1,720 kg
Old 03-05-2015, 08:40 PM
  #6430  
Petevb
Rennlist Member
 
Petevb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,728
Received 705 Likes on 282 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mech33
If they stay on with double stick tape, they can't be adding THAT much downforce, no? Say they were adding 30 pounds of downforce total at high speed: do you think you could hang 15 pounds off of each and not have them fall off? Just curious.
Diveplanes work by setting up a vortex of swirling air that runs along the side of the car. This vortex works between the side skirt and the ground. The swirling air reduces pressure there, and in the process reduces pressure slightly under the car and in the front wheel well.

The car underbody is a large area, so even a small pressure change results in significant change in total lift or downforce, and most of this force is not born by the dive plane itself. Consider how the flap or elevator on an airplane wing alters lift of the whole wing- a small change results in a much larger one.

BTW- anyone seen springs rates on the RS yet?
Old 03-05-2015, 08:46 PM
  #6431  
KenU
Rennlist Member
 
KenU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 334
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by irule
looks like the production is limited to 2000 units.

1200 to USA.
As quoted to Mech33 at the show today by *floor people* at the RS exhibit:

"The car is NOT a "limited production" model. They will build it for a certain amount of time, and crank out as many cars as they can. They told me they would build the car through the end of the calendar year, and roughly estimated about 1,000 cars world-wide. They suggested that this was roughly half that of the regular GT3. (I didn't cross-check their numbers) They said they did not have a breakdown by country, but did say that the US typically gets the largest share of cars."
Old 03-05-2015, 08:53 PM
  #6432  
GreenLantern
Rennlist Member
 
GreenLantern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SFO, LAX, SJC, SNA, LAS, IAH, JFK
Posts: 2,845
Received 20 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by KenU
As quoted to Mech33 at the show today by *floor people* at the RS exhibit:

"The car is NOT a "limited production" model. They will build it for a certain amount of time, and crank out as many cars as they can. They told me they would build the car through the end of the calendar year, and roughly estimated about 1,000 cars world-wide. They suggested that this was roughly half that of the regular GT3. (I didn't cross-check their numbers) They said they did not have a breakdown by country, but did say that the US typically gets the largest share of cars."
Thanks for that. Really useful.

So they're stopping production at the end of 2015? This means a single model year (2016)... I was hoping/expecting two model years (like the GT3, and the 997.2 GT3 RS, 997.1 GT3 RS, etc).
Old 03-05-2015, 08:54 PM
  #6433  
Nan P
Pro
 
Nan P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 622
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

To my eye the RS looks higher & based from the specs (thanks Macca )it isn't an illusion; not a fan of that despite that overall it looks aggressive.

So the differences between the GT3 & RS in the motor are;
Crankshaft
Intake system
Exhaust.

Anything else?
Does the RS use rocker arms instead of tappets like the GT3?
Old 03-05-2015, 09:00 PM
  #6434  
jy2114
Intermediate
 
jy2114's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

delete

Last edited by jy2114; 03-05-2015 at 09:29 PM.
Old 03-05-2015, 09:00 PM
  #6435  
rockitman
Nordschleife Master
 
rockitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Got Revs ???
Posts: 5,735
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

^^^Titanium connecting rods


Quick Reply: Consolidated 991RS thread



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:41 PM.