Originally Posted by kosmo

IF the RS comes w/ an "all new/different" engine, how many of us would be willing to own a 991 gt3 past its warranty period???

Originally Posted by 997rs4.0

One thing is for sure, it leaves the airwaves buzzing! 😃😃I agree that it sounds unlikely to "start in the wrong end" with the RS. And then if I understood Hatz right that they will use that engine in the carrera /s .2 turbos

A few things that supports this:

1. Quote from Hatz "significant step up from 1gt3 bigger than previous models" to me sounds like a step from 7.1gt3 to 7.2rs

2. The expected big price increase!

I guess we just have to wait and see! Can't wait😉

Originally Posted by Manifold

^ Let's also keep in mind that the RS is much more expensive, beyond what many would spend on a DD or track car even if they have the means. If the RS doesn't offer a much better experience than the GT3, regardless of components, existence of the RS will tend to keep the value of the GT3 up. I can't see people ponying up another ~$50K mainly to get the 'new' RS engine when the engine in the GT3 is already getting rave reviews (the few engine fires will be forgetten; if anything they give me added confidence that Porsche scrutinized the hell out of this engine).

Ultimately, I think the depreciation of the GT3 will depend on supply and demand. Demand will be influenced future cars that rival it and their prices (eg, 991.2 GT3), and currently the GT3 has no strong competitor at its price point, as demonstrated by numerous reviews and comparos. And we already know that supply of the 991.1 GT3 is quite limited, with allocations all gone at this point.

And as noted, if you love the car and plan to keep for a long time, depreciation tends not to matter much. I'm not in favor of throwing money away, but if someone can't afford the depreciation, maybe a good idea to question whether they can afford the car.

Originally Posted by Mike in CA

Which is why no one desires a car with almost any previous generation of Porsche engine which is past the warranty period.....oh wait....that's not true.

Originally Posted by TRAKCAR

Here are the facelifted 911 and 911S.
The non S still has the goofy tail pipes.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-po...-models-coming

So the RS could be the first with this engine sans Turbo's, sans face lift.

Originally Posted by ranger22

Curious, did PAG describe the 997.2 4.0 as a completely new engine? I don't recall they did.

Originally Posted by kosmo

so 2016 S will have more power than the 2015 Turbo?
i'm still not getting it.

Originally Posted by Macca

So the 991 GT3 RS (Motorsport for the road halo car and extreme version of the GT3) , the car that follows the lineage of the 991 GT3 which had an embarrassing not to expensive $100MM recall is the first car of the block with an entirely new engine which has yet to see volume/series production........................

Not on your nelly!

The engine will be the 991 GT3 engine. The changes here will be the basis for the "new engine" which in typical PAG marketing parlance will be an evolution of the prior unit with some possible changes beyond the 991 GT3/RS specification for the main series cars which are having hair dryers bolted on and will be of different capacities, different compression ratios and use different red lines and this valve trains/cams etc. Some part numbers may change on a few parts, some parts may be redesigned and there may even be a few new parts but when was the GT3 engine any guise ever more than 50% related to the base car engines? Not since the 993 it wasnt.

We are talking wildly different remits between a GT3/RS engine and a standard 991S engine let alone between a new gen turbo charged 991.2S engine of potentially lower capacity, higher compression and slightly lower max RPM

Call me skeptic but I dont believe PAG will launch the 991 GT3 RS with an uknown engine quantity, unproven with no providence regardless what benchto;p testing they have been doing in the motorsports department. 960 may become the new race platform and GT3 may become a marketing moniker based on production cars perhaps but surely Im not the only one thinking this all sounds rather ridiculous.

I may end up eating my hat but Im still convinced the 991 Gt3 and RS share almost identical architecture other than the obvious capacity increase. Is the 991 GT3RS 4.0L engine a totally different engine form the 991 GT3 or 997.2 4.0RS (mezger) - hell yes - in PAG marketing speak the new engine is "entirely new"! Just check out past marketing examples from 964/993, 996/996.2, 996/997 generations. 911/boxster engine since 1996/7 until 2009 (13 years) have fundamentally been the evolution of a similar design not a revolution as they were between 993 & 996 generations.

I think something have been lost in translation or has been thrown out there to keep the airwaves buzzing. But then again, I could be wrong. Mike CA I believe has it right - PAG have not deviated from plan since APs initial interviews with the 991 GT3 in March 2013. They already have their plan and we will be towed along with it :-P

Originally Posted by kosmo

yes very true, however, the counterpoint is how many of those cars had a 2yr model life with engine capable of 9k rpm? I guess the mkt will speak but I would be slightly nervous.

Originally Posted by Petevb

I guess people believe what they want to believe. I'm not quite sure why the "hat eaters" are so hesitant in this case. Perhaps because I don't see it meaning too much either way.

Originally Posted by Mike in CA

Respectfully, that's the wrong comparison.

Originally Posted by Petevb

I guess people believe what they want to believe. I'm not quite sure why the "hat eaters" are so hesitant in this case. Perhaps because I don't see it meaning too much either way.