997rs4.0

Both b and c makes sense to me! The 991.2/RS engine has obviously been worked on for many years! Some people say they started 2010-11. Don't forget according to mr Hatz this will be the 991.2 engine for the entire lineup! I'm guessing this is actually the 991.2rs engine we will see in the 991.1rs????

doubleurx

No, c. is stating the new engine came about due to the stop sale - meaning they decided to design a new engine starting last March. A & B are far more plausible.

997rs4.0

Depends how you look at it! The plan might have been to use the the 1.3 engine but after the fires and stop sale they abandon it and was almost done with 991.2 engine that has been developed over the last 3-4 years! Not like they designed this new engine in a couple of months!!!!

doubleurx

Semantics I guess, but that would be more along the lines of "a." or you just created a "d."

mrsullivan

If you make it worth the dealers time to do it, i.e. pay, yes you absolutely can have the car CPO. I know people that have successfully done this. The dealer will want to make whatever they would if you trade it in and they resell as a CPO car. Maybe $5k or so. And you may have to technically trade and buy back. But it can be done.

Mike in CA

Which is why no one desires a car with almost any previous generation of Porsche engine which is past the warranty period.....oh wait....that's not true.

This entire conversation is pretty amazing to me. For months there were doubters who questioned virtually every pronouncement coming from Porsche and AP about what a great car the 991 GT3 would be. The issue of "how many parts are common" aside, almost all of those pronouncements proved to be true, as new owners are now discovering for themselves. Clearly the doubters were wrong about almost everything.

Now we have an "interview" with a VW/Porsche exec (you know, one of the ones who are always trying to mislead customers) that has been picked up and repeated in several publications and some are ready to take every reported word strictly at face value. Maybe it will all prove to be true, but I just have to wonder, what happened to all that skepticism?

Macca

Nothing has changed at PAG with the RS since the project started. Everything we will see on this car reflects what has been leaked over the last 12 months (pictures of minichamps model and packaging, Michelin tyre specs and patent drawings etc). The car was signed off long ago. There have been no fundamental changes. The GT team at this time would already have moved on to new projects. The Hatz interview is confusing. The facts will come to light in the next few weeks.

neanicu

The new Preuninger series engine will be used in the new RS and motorsport and the " bastard child " high revving 9A1 engine used in the 991 GT3 will be detuned and used in the upcoming 2600 LBS GT4 with 425 HP,multi-link suspension and a 6 speed optimized gearing 6 speed manual transmission. Problem solved!

Who's in?

997rs4.0

I think we have to add the entire alphabet to figure this one out!dde03dde03dde03! But it's fun speculating. But my theory is still that this is the .2 engine! Not sure what's better, a,dde03 unproven new engine that most likely will make it in to all 991 "turbos" and R, RSR and Cup cars! Or b, dde03dde03dde03

TRAKCAR

Good point, all the issues on the .2RS where mostly these items..

TRAKCAR

Here are the facelifted 911 and 911S.
The non S still has the goofy tail pipes.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-po...-models-coming

So the RS could be the first with this engine sans Turbo's, sans face lift.

Raven 666

Agreed to tail pipes do look some what goofy..................

consolidated

I found this part is more interesting, completely upset or reset the usual order of things. I find it hard to believe, given how Porsche meters out HP increases.

With the big HP numbers coming from US makers, Jag and other Germans maybe Porsche finally said F'it, turn up the boost Hans.

997rs4.0

It's all starting to make sense!!!😉😉😉

Macca

So the 991 GT3 RS (Motorsport for the road halo car and extreme version of the GT3) , the car that follows the lineage of the 991 GT3 which had an embarrassing not to expensive $100MM recall is the first car of the block with an entirely new engine which has yet to see volume/series production........................

Not on your nelly!

The engine will be the 991 GT3 engine. The changes here will be the basis for the "new engine" which in typical PAG marketing parlance will be an evolution of the prior unit with some possible changes beyond the 991 GT3/RS specification for the main series cars which are having hair dryers bolted on and will be of different capacities, different compression ratios and use different red lines and this valve trains/cams etc. Some part numbers may change on a few parts, some parts may be redesigned and there may even be a few new parts but when was the GT3 engine any guise ever more than 50% related to the base car engines? Not since the 993 it wasnt.

We are talking wildly different remits between a GT3/RS engine and a standard 991S engine let alone between a new gen turbo charged 991.2S engine of potentially lower capacity, higher compression and slightly lower max RPM

Call me skeptic but I dont believe PAG will launch the 991 GT3 RS with an uknown engine quantity, unproven with no providence regardless what benchto;p testing they have been doing in the motorsports department. 960 may become the new race platform and GT3 may become a marketing moniker based on production cars perhaps but surely Im not the only one thinking this all sounds rather ridiculous.

I may end up eating my hat but Im still convinced the 991 Gt3 and RS share almost identical architecture other than the obvious capacity increase. Is the 991 GT3RS 4.0L engine a totally different engine form the 991 GT3 or 997.2 4.0RS (mezger) - hell yes - in PAG marketing speak the new engine is "entirely new"! Just check out past marketing examples from 964/993, 996/996.2, 996/997 generations. 911/boxster engine since 1996/7 until 2009 (13 years) have fundamentally been the evolution of a similar design not a revolution as they were between 993 & 996 generations.

I think something have been lost in translation or has been thrown out there to keep the airwaves buzzing. But then again, I could be wrong. Mike CA I believe has it right - PAG have not deviated from plan since APs initial interviews with the 991 GT3 in March 2013. They already have their plan and we will be towed along with it :-P