RS ZWEI

I dont know which colour Ray Barkers car was, but Im pretty such I know of all the 3.6 Turbos in NZ.

John McM

My expat friend is a frustrated Porsche man. The children mounted up too quickly to get his wife to agree to a 911, even though the cash was there.

kiwi 911

It's Red with Black interior. Looks identical to the car currently on TM , but with out the custom center console.

Macca

RS ZWEI is correct. The only NZ new 996.1 GT3 sold to Bill Abercrombie (long time black 968CS owner who trade the 68 in for the car at Gillies). He did a deal at 85k I understand. Hell be keeping that GT3 for a long long time (he had the 968 CS for over 10 years and it was the best in NZ). It wasnt a bad car, needed a little fettling thats all but in Bills hands Im sure its now a superlative example...

The only other SY 996.1 GT3 is the one I imported in 2002/3.

Here the hard data (only accounts for NZ new cars I understand). 996.1 GT3 are now tightly held. The Zanzibar Red one at the Porsche Parade was bought 2010 in the late 80s, the owner has tidied it up real nice and its now almost concours but he wont let it go easily...

kiwi 911

996 GT3's are a great car, but I can't see them being investments or going up in value for a loooong time, for the simple reason of the 'for a few dollars more rule', for another $30K I could have a 996 GT3 RS, which is cooler, rarer and faster, or I could have a 997 GT3 (mk1), which is faster and superior. Given 997 GT3's are still dropping in value and have a way to go, this can only put downward pressure on 996 GT3's.

OK - you can stone me now...............

Macca

Paul. Thats exactly what happened to the 993RS. The GT3 put downward pressure on the 993RS. When I bought mine it was 104k landed. I agree the 996.1 GT3 wont rise sharply in the immediate future but this was the last model they held back from the USA and as such the Mk2 for examle was made in a volume over double the Mk1 (1000 ish units). From there on the GT3 has become a volume vehicle (albiet only around 3000 units per model variant per cycle).

My take is the 996.1 GT3 has bottomed at 80k NZD and good ones will fetch between that and 100k nzd in years to come. With the new 991 GT3 not having 6 speed, the Metzger engine now gone, rare models with a raw flavour and appeal will increase in value.

You are spot on re the 996 GT3RS by the way. Thats perhaps the rawest GT3RS variant to date and already values are getting very firm globally. Volume was ver very low and it has true light weight construction. If you can find a good one in NZ for 120k it would be a sound investment. Of the 5 imported three were "rolled bowled and a**holed" (ok - have had track incidents if you like lol!)

kiwi 911

After doing a bit of internet surfing, 964's are hard to convert, I understand you need to change the gearbox too. 993's are easier - I know someone with a 993T who removed the front drive shaft for a bit.

You are correct that the weight is in the motor etc. looking at some Aussie race cars last year, they have all the motor and rails removed with the the sunroof panel 'siliconed' in.

Macca

Correct Paul. Gearbox and rear diff being issues...

John McM

Paul, the way I'm seeing this right now is that you will be motivated to buy something new the day a hefty white C4 with antique wheels and a p-extension spoiler starts looming in your rear view mirror. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen, even if I have to temporarily transpose my 964 motors.

Macca

As a reference point I took 100kg out of my 993 and put 30kg back in. All without removing any carpet, sound deadening, rear seats, air con and sunroof. Infact the car is far more "luxurious" than it was before. Not possible on a strict budget I might add. Key items to achieve this unusual diet (the usual way is to strip out the aforementioned gear for 100kg savings) were -

CF bucket seats passenger and driver
Remove rear blower
Gel Cel battery with Rennline alloy bracket (good daving here)
Cat removal, dash X pipe install
Lighter Fister D mufflers
Remove factory airbox (heavy) for cone filter with alloy neck (MAP sensor requirement)
Lighter ECU and ancillaries
Lighter shocks (coilover lighter than factory struts and springs)
Custom fabricated carbon fiber transmission tunnel under cover
Same above for fuel pump
Removal of brake backing plates
Lighter weight wheels
Rear engine under tray removal


Items added back include

Upgraded audiophile head unit (a gift from Kenwood otherwise I wouldnt have bothered)
Upgraded speakers and cross overs
Front strut brace
Fire extinguisher bracket BK
Auto lift driver window mechanism
Auto dip rear vision mirror
Porsche over mats
Hardwired Trackit GPS system (Targa)
Rain sensing wipers
HID ballasts for headlights and fog lights
Alloy & CF interior appointments (many)
Under carriage race "toe hooks"
RS adjustable sway bars



Actually theres more stuff Ive forgotten....

Macca

John. Them's fighting words LOL! Paul's pretty handy peddling that 200hp C3 along from what ive observed. Ill be aiming just to keep up with him!

Macca

Unless there's a tarseal gymkahana involved. It turns out I'm accidentaly ok at them!

John McM

I can always get Ray Williams to drive for me. Outsourcing is the way to go.

In reality, the first few times out I imagine I'll be lapped in the 15 minute sessions.

peterC2S

Wow - that's not a lot. That price for that mileage seems a hell deal - I guess the moral of the story (for Matt) is patience - they don't come around often but when a good one does, be prepared to jump.

Macca - that's another cool story - I totally get where you're coming from and would love to come look in that 'shed' - or is that the storage unit. The 911 was bucket list material - took til 34 to get the first and there have been 5 since. Totally torn these days between having the best example to own and drive daily and something to use properly on track - really they are 2 different animals and just now I'm not prepared to invest in both (and my garage is clearly smaller than John's!) Porsche ownership is addictive - I think I said in a previous post with the line up of cars from John's neighbourhood that I could happily own one of each. And its only a short step to buying and selling and buying again! I respect your discipline to have hung onto that first one.

kiwi 911

Laughing my *** off with this comment...................roflmao: